Remember in 2001 when the Skins were 0-5???

[GusFrerotte]

My man above said it best. Marty is a HOF coach, had a plan, and had a solid group of guys that stayed together and started to believe. On top of that they had pride. We have a bunch of bums on offense that just don the jersey every Sunday/Monday to get paid in my humble opinion, with the exception of Cooley of course. No plan, no real coach, and no real O line or to be honest not much in terms of skilled position guys to go 8-8. I have a better chance of having a 3 some with the Girls Next Door than us pulling off the miracle.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

My man above said it best. Marty is a HOF coach, had a plan, and had a solid group of guys that stayed together and started to believe. On top of that they had pride. We have a bunch of bums on offense that just don the jersey every Sunday/Monday to get paid in my humble opinion, with the exception of Cooley of course. No plan, no real coach, and no real O line or to be honest not much in terms of skilled position guys to go 8-8. I have a better chance of having a 3 some with the Girls Next Door than us pulling off the miracle.

Well, no offense to you or your "man", but he's not of HOF caliber. Sure, his regular season stats are HOF caliber, but his postseason performance is what lost him jobs...in fact, he's one of, if not THE worst postseason coach EVER. And that is saying a lot. He's only 5-13 in the playoffs, that's a .278 record folks. For anyone with 10 or more appearances, only Steve Owen is worse at 2-8. To me, what makes you a HOF coach is not how well your team does during the regular season (and Marty had some KILLER talent over the years) it's getting them to "the next level". We often talk about QB's if they don't win it all, we can't consider them one of the best ever...well, why does the same not apply to coaches? He's never even won a conference championship. From 94-2006, the man didn't win a playoff game, and he had amazing teams in 95, 97, 04, and worst of all 06. How can you explain his ineptitude in the playoffs when his regular season was so great? Of his 21 years, he came in first or second in his division 16 times (including 13 in row). Only came in worse than 3rd place 1 time! So how is it he couldn't win anything significant, and couldn't even make it to a super bowl???

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Well, no offense to you or your "man", but he's not of HOF caliber. Sure, his regular season stats are HOF caliber, but his postseason performance is what lost him jobs...in fact, he's one of, if not THE worst postseason coach EVER. And that is saying a lot. He's only 5-13 in the playoffs, that's a .278 record folks. For anyone with 10 or more appearances, only Steve Owen is worse at 2-8. To me, what makes you a HOF coach is not how well your team does during the regular season (and Marty had some KILLER talent over the years) it's getting them to "the next level". We often talk about QB's if they don't win it all, we can't consider them one of the best ever...well, why does the same not apply to coaches? He's never even won a conference championship. From 94-2006, the man didn't win a playoff game, and he had amazing teams in 95, 97, 04, and worst of all 06. How can you explain his ineptitude in the playoffs when his regular season was so great? Of his 21 years, he came in first or second in his division 16 times (including 13 in row). Only came in worse than 3rd place 1 time! So how is it he couldn't win anything significant, and couldn't even make it to a super bowl???

Dude didn't get a SB, but he's been to the playoffs way more than Norv, Spurrier, or Zorn for that matter. Hell he has more playoff victories than all the NFC coaches combined(excluding Holmgren maybe).

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Dude didn't get a SB, but he's been to the playoffs way more than Norv, Spurrier, or Zorn for that matter. Hell he has more playoff victories than all the NFC coaches combined(excluding Holmgren maybe).

Ummm what?
Coughlin - 8 wins
Fox - 5 wins
McCarthy - 1 win
Mora - 1 win
Payton - 1 win
Reid - 10 wins
L. Smith - 2 wins
Whisenhunt - 3 wins

That's 31 combined wins...vs 5 for marty.

ps- Holmgren no longer coaches...just an FYI.