Campbell's numbers dont lie

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

This discussion is getting lame real fast. JC's stats are padded with dink and dunk shit like Brunell had, or with garbage drives where the game is already out of hand(Lions, Eagles, his best games). I still want to know why JC fumbled two perfect snaps out of the shotgun vs the Lions. Bastard almost lost the ball both times and lost yardage. Perfect snaps mind you, hit him in the hands also. Bastard has the mechanics of a rookie or a first year starting QB. Him missing wide open men means his field of vision is limited to that of a rookie or first year starter as well or his concentration level is insufficient to get the job done. Can't blame the O line all the time for his sacks or pics either. JC could throw for 3,500-4,000 yards this season and we can still end up 3-13, so his stats are junk. I could understand if folks outside of Redskindom were high on the kid, but most fans I talk with of other teams think JC is junk. Defending the guy is OK, but defending him to the max when his stats are garbage time yardage, when the defense is in a nickel or dime prevent type mode is delusional.

Campbell long passes:
Wk 1 = 35
Wk 2 = 25
Wk 3 = 57
Wk 4 = 59
Wk 5 = 23
Wk 6 = 25
Wk 7 = 24

Looks like he's going downfield to me. Keep in mind, his protection does not even allot him enough time to let the routes get downfield...hence 20 sacks in 7 games despite his mobility.

I'm also tired of the argument that a comeback attempt is automatically labeled "garbage time" and the stats should be thrown out. If not for the Rabach snap, we could have been down by 3 and who knows, something could have allowed us to win the game. Would you still dismiss the comeback as "garbage"?

How you can put everything on the QB that's playing without anything resembling a pro offensive line is beyond me. Does he make mistakes on his own? Sure he does. Every QB does. The point of me updating the stats of the 3 QBs is not to prove that Campbell is the next Unitas or Tarkenton, but to show that we'd be no better off with Cutler or Sanchez, a point I was making during all of the rumors in the offseason.

I have no response for anyone who wants to see Collins play. We did see him play for a half against a horrible team and it was a disaster. Collins is old, can not move in the pocket, has a very weak arm and has far less snaps in this offensive scheme than Campbell. Collins only stayed in the league because he was an expert at Al Saunders' offense after a decade in it. Well, we're not running that offense, so Collins is essentially useless to us. I felt we should have let him go and kept both Brennan and Daniel. That may have happened if Colt hadn't laid a rotten egg in his chance to win the #2 spot.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Buster

Campbell long passes:
Wk 1 = 35
Wk 2 = 25
Wk 3 = 57
Wk 4 = 59
Wk 5 = 23
Wk 6 = 25
Wk 7 = 24

Where in the world did you get these numbers from? 57 long passes in Week 3, 59 in Week 4.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Where in the world did you get these numbers from? 57 long passes in Week 3, 59 in Week 4.

Hooked on Phonics would work for you.

Yahooooooooooooooooo

Jason Campbell - Washington Redskins - Game Log - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Long = Yardage, not number of "long" passes. Didn't have your coffee yet today?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Buster

Hooked on Phonics would work for you.

Yahooooooooooooooooo

Jason Campbell - Washington Redskins - Game Log - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Oh, I see. I thought you meant number of long passes.

Either way I would suspect that more often than not he misses on those deep throws, though I know it's not always his fault

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Oh, I see. I thought you meant number of long passes.

Either way I would suspect that more often than not he misses on those deep throws, though I know it's not always his fault

Yeah, I picked up what you picked up on, figured he meant "longest in each game." Which in reality JC probably only had 1 long pass that connected and the rest were either over throws or throw aways. So it's nice to see that he can get the ball down field, but he has to be able to do it more then once a game.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Buster

Hooked on Phonics would work for you.

Yahooooooooooooooooo

Jason Campbell - Washington Redskins - Game Log - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Long = Yardage, not number of "long" passes. Didn't have your coffee yet today?

just how angry do you get on here... i'll take average or long rating out of 10

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

just how angry do you get on here... i'll take average or long rating out of 10

Great question - oughta be a thread/poll in and of itself!!!

For me, I can have a real spike up to 9 or 10 when I read what I consider an idiotic post. It usually levels off at around a 3

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Buster

Hooked on Phonics would work for you.

Yahooooooooooooooooo

Jason Campbell - Washington Redskins - Game Log - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Long = Yardage, not number of "long" passes. Didn't have your coffee yet today?

Don't drink coffee

Sorry to get you all riled up during your quest. Campbell long passes: Week 3=57 looked like number of long passes to me

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Don't drink coffee

Sorry to get you all riled up during your quest. Campbell long passes: Week 3=57 looked like number of long passes to me

Don't worry about it, I didn't get it at first either.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Don't drink coffee

Sorry to get you all riled up during your quest. Campbell long passes: Week 3=57 looked like number of long passes to me

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Don't worry about it, I didn't get it at first either.

Someone said JC is doing the "Brunell dink-and dunk" and claimed he doesn't go downfield, so I posted his long completions for each week. Standard stat, I thought!

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Buster

Someone said JC is doing the "Brunell dink-and dunk" and claimed he doesn't go downfield, so I posted his long completions for each week. Standard stat, I thought!

Don't worry, it wasn't too difficult to understand.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Buster

Campbell long passes:
Wk 1 = 35
Wk 2 = 25
Wk 3 = 57
Wk 4 = 59
Wk 5 = 23
Wk 6 = 25
Wk 7 = 24

Looks like he's going downfield to me. Keep in mind, his protection does not even allot him enough time to let the routes get downfield...hence 20 sacks in 7 games despite his mobility.

I'm also tired of the argument that a comeback attempt is automatically labeled "garbage time" and the stats should be thrown out. If not for the Rabach snap, we could have been down by 3 and who knows, something could have allowed us to win the game. Would you still dismiss the comeback as "garbage"?

How you can put everything on the QB that's playing without anything resembling a pro offensive line is beyond me. Does he make mistakes on his own? Sure he does. Every QB does. The point of me updating the stats of the 3 QBs is not to prove that Campbell is the next Unitas or Tarkenton, but to show that we'd be no better off with Cutler or Sanchez, a point I was making during all of the rumors in the offseason.

I have no response for anyone who wants to see Collins play. We did see him play for a half against a horrible team and it was a disaster. Collins is old, can not move in the pocket, has a very weak arm and has far less snaps in this offensive scheme than Campbell. Collins only stayed in the league because he was an expert at Al Saunders' offense after a decade in it. Well, we're not running that offense, so Collins is essentially useless to us. I felt we should have let him go and kept both Brennan and Daniel. That may have happened if Colt hadn't laid a rotten egg in his chance to win the #2 spot.

In my opinion, the purpose of this thread was a discussion of stats in relation to how campbell is playing. If the stats are saying that Campbell is playing well, then I think the numbers are lying - especially the last game with the eagles.

When you analyze campbell's play, I think you look at the plays that was under his control or had opportunities to make plays. If you think that it was the offensive linemen's fault or a wide receiver's fault for a play breaking down, then fine, throw those away and look at the others. I think if you do it this way, it is more of a fair accessment of how Campbell has played. I won't hide that the fact that I am very opinionated, but I feel I tell it how it is. And to me, just analyzing his play and only his play alone - I think he is playing terrible. Missed touchdowns/big plays, turnovers, terrible pocket presence. These are probably the big three that he HIMSELF contributed to the redskins losing (remember just analyzing what he had a fair amount of control over).