Campbell's numbers dont lie

[SolidSnake84]

I want to go out on a limb here and say that Campbell isn't a flawed QB, it's just that i think he lacks the mental side of the game. Campbell's college coach put it the best when he said earlier this year that the hardest battle they fought in Auburn was getting him to believe in himself. He thinks Jason plays scared.

I see all of these things. The NFL is full of QBs who aren't superstars individually, but can do good things with the team. I think of Jeff Garcia, who didnt' have a strong arm, nor was he big physically, but he could always find a way to win and keep a drive alive...

Campbell now reminds me of Brunell in 2006. He isn't quite stinking it up, but he's not doing anything to try and win the game either....

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I want to go out on a limb here and say that Campbell isn't a flawed QB, it's just that i think he lacks the mental side of the game. Campbell's college coach put it the best when he said earlier this year that the hardest battle they fought in Auburn was getting him to believe in himself. He thinks Jason plays scared.

I see all of these things. The NFL is full of QBs who aren't superstars individually, but can do good things with the team. I think of Jeff Garcia, who didnt' have a strong arm, nor was he big physically, but he could always find a way to win and keep a drive alive...

Campbell now reminds me of Brunell in 2006. He isn't quite stinking it up, but he's not doing anything to try and win the game either....

I didn't know this. In hindsight, I think that was very important to note. An athlete won't be able to succeed for very long, if you have to battle to convince him to believe in himself.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I want to go out on a limb here and say that Campbell isn't a flawed QB, it's just that i think he lacks the mental side of the game. Campbell's college coach put it the best when he said earlier this year that the hardest battle they fought in Auburn was getting him to believe in himself. He thinks Jason plays scared.

I see all of these things. The NFL is full of QBs who aren't superstars individually, but can do good things with the team. I think of Jeff Garcia, who didnt' have a strong arm, nor was he big physically, but he could always find a way to win and keep a drive alive...

Campbell now reminds me of Brunell in 2006. He isn't quite stinking it up, but he's not doing anything to try and win the game either....

One or two other people have also brought up that comparison and I actually think it is a good one. By the numbers (if we must) ...

Brunell 2006:
Through 9 weeks
TOTAL: 162/260 (62.3%), 1,789 yds, 8 TD, 4 INT, 86.5 rating, 92 rush yds

Campbell:
Through 7 weeks
TOTAL: 136/206 (66.0%), 1,481 yds, 8 TD, 7 INT, 85.8 rating, 103 rush yds

The obvious answer is that in 2006 we had a first round QB on the bench and needed to get him in the game, in 2009 we do not have that option. Brunell was also 35 years old. Fair enough. Brunell was also more successful in his career than Campbell ever will be, unfortunately.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Campbell now reminds me of Brunell in 2006. He isn't quite stinking it up, but he's not doing anything to try and win the game either....

Brunell's problem was that his arm strength was gone and he knew he couldn't make the plays he used to.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Brunell's problem was that his arm strength was gone and he knew he couldn't make the plays he used to.

Brunell's problem was that his defense was trash and he had a first round prospect breathing down his neck. No one really thought of him as anything more than a caretaker anyway.

Campbell's issue appears to be that he's been handed a "now or never" scenario, and then given a team with no chance to win now. It's pretty obvious that Campbell is not the right quarterback for this team. Campbell's defense is not trash, it's giving him plenty of chances to win games, but the expectation from the front office is that Campbell leads an offensive resurgence that scores lots of points.

You're getting a lot of fumbles and interceptions and careless play from Campbell that seem to just be a result of the situation. Erratic quarterback play is not what this team requires right now, but the front office pretty much got what they asked for.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Campbell's issue appears to be that he's been handed a "now or never" scenario, and then given a team with no chance to win now. It's pretty obvious that Campbell is not the right quarterback for this team. Campbell's defense is not trash, it's giving him plenty of chances to win games, but the expectation from the front office is that Campbell leads an offensive resurgence that scores lots of points.

You're getting a lot of fumbles and interceptions and careless play from Campbell that seem to just be a result of the situation. Erratic quarterback play is not what this team requires right now, but the front office pretty much got what they asked for.

The problems I've mentioned about JC are his and his alone. I'm not sure what situation you mean. He can control those things. He can't control a ball getting batted at the line for an INT, and I didn't slam him for that play. He can't control Heyer and Williams missing blocks, and in those instances I've not criticized him.

His ball security has been poor and it's not improving. His long release and his bad habit of "patting" the ball before a throw causes a delay in the ball getting out and missed opportunities. His inaccuracy, missing open receivers, and not making audibles are his fault. If audibles are not available to him in the system, then that's Zorn's fault.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

The problems I've mentioned about JC are his and his alone. I'm not sure what situation you mean. He can control those things. He can't control a ball getting batted at the line for an INT, and I didn't slam him for that play. He can't control Heyer and Williams missing blocks, and in those instances I've not criticized him.

His ball security has been poor and it's not improving. His long release and his bad habit of "patting" the ball before a throw causes a delay in the ball getting out and missed opportunities. His inaccuracy, missing open receivers, and not making audibles are his fault. If audibles are not available to him in the system, then that's Zorn's fault.

Well, ball security has been an issue going back to the first game, and it's really just deteriorated since then. Inaccuracy is a more recent problem, and no less troubling.

There's plenty to not like about Campbell's play right now, but the only thing that's different between this year and last year is the expectations and consequences. The Redskins don't score points, and they are really, really hoping that Jason Campbell is the reason. But, I think we've seen that Campbell succeeding at ball security and mid-range completions and failing at them are not the difference between the Redskins scoring points and not.

You and I both know that Jason Campbell is incapable of giving the Redskins what they want, and we both know he's capable of playing better than he is right now. Here's where the siutation is at fault: should Campbell be more conservative with his mechanics giving the situation, even if it would make him a better player? Protecting the ball, and not throwing INTs gives this team it's best chance to win, but it does nothing for Jason Campbell's long term future of this team. Winning 6 games because of improvements in ball security still means a change at QB next year. And that's where the problem lies: there's no incentive to do the small things (which are 100% in his control) better because Campbell is getting blamed for the big picture things which ne has no control over. And that's because we're a horrendous organization.

I do not, and have not disagreed with your analysis, and I think you're doing a top notch job. At this point though, I'm finding myself (naturally) less concerned with the what (bad QB play), and more with the why.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

But, I think we've seen that Campbell succeeding at ball security and mid-range completions and failing at them are not the difference between the Redskins scoring points and not.

I disagree. Campbell's poor reads, bad throws, and missing open receivers has definitely left points on the field and killed drives. I'm not advocating that he's the sole problem, because we certainly have other issues. But he certainly isn't part of the solution either....and we know what you are if you're not part of the solution

should Campbell be more conservative with his mechanics giving the situation, even if it would make him a better player? Protecting the ball, and not throwing INTs gives this team it's best chance to win, but it does nothing for Jason Campbell's long term future of this team. Winning 6 games because of improvements in ball security still means a change at QB next year. And that's where the problem lies: there's no incentive to do the small things (which are 100% in his control) better because Campbell is getting blamed for the big picture things which ne has no control over. And that's because we're a horrendous organization.

When I'm talking about ball security I'm strictly talking about how JC handles the ball from his drop to release, not on his decisions on where or when to make a throw. He has the very bad habit of holding the ball much too low, patting the ball before a throw, and his long delivery which brings the ball down to almost waist level before his delivery. On the MNF broadcast Chucky had a quick segment showing the little kids doing some basic fundy drills, the thing that struck me was that each kid actually had the ball held properly at mid-chest/shoulder height with two hands, better than what we've seen from JC.

JC has all the incentive in the world to do the little things and big things right. No matter what the Redskins' record is, this season is an NFL-wide job interview for JC. One he's not performing too well in right now.

I do not, and have not disagreed with your analysis, and I think you're doing a top notch job. At this point though, I'm finding myself (naturally) less concerned with the what (bad QB play), and more with the why.

You're absolutely right, the Why is the key. I don't think the Why for Campbell's poor play is an external issue to Campbell (OL, playcalling). He's not improving on the thiings he can control (proper footwook, proper ball security, proper pre-reads and progressions). I wish I had a clear cut answer, but from what we've seen over the last five weeks the answer appears to be JC is just not going to make the improvements necessary to be a top flight NFL QB.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I disagree. Campbell's poor reads, bad throws, and missing open receivers has definitely left points on the field and killed drives. I'm not advocating that he's the sole problem, because we certainly have other issues. But he certainly isn't part of the solution either....and we know what you are if you're not part of the solution

When I'm talking about ball security I'm strictly talking about how JC handles the ball from his drop to release, not on his decisions on where or when to make a throw. He has the very bad habit of holding the ball much too low, patting the ball before a throw, and his long delivery which brings the ball down to almost waist level before his delivery. On the MNF broadcast Chucky had a quick segment showing the little kids doing some basic fundy drills, the thing that struck me was that each kid actually had the ball held properly at mid-chest/shoulder height with two hands, better than what we've seen from JC.

JC has all the incentive in the world to do the little things and big things right. No matter what the Redskins' record is, this season is an NFL-wide job interview for JC. One he's not performing too well in right now.

You're absolutely right, the Why is the key. I don't think the Why for Campbell's poor play is an external issue to Campbell (OL, playcalling). He's not improving on the thiings he can control (proper footwook, proper ball security, proper pre-reads and progressions). I wish I had a clear cut answer, but from what we've seen over the last five weeks the answer appears to be JC is just not going to make the improvements necessary to be a top flight NFL QB.

there was a play in the philly game where espn did a replay and showed the whole field. lewis called a fake smoke screen where jc pumped faked the wr screen and if he had waited for the play to fully develop he would've had moss wide opn for a td. jaws pointed it out. but jc checked the ball down and not letting the play develop. this is one of many instances. w/out question he's killed scoring chances. plus their is no excuse for the sloppy mechanics in your 5th year.