Will Dan Snyder finally fire Vinny Cerrato

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Ahhh yes, the old disrespecting Gibbs Rumor. I heard many people from within that organization say that it was just that. A Rumor. It's laughable that Gibbs wouldnt have known that Williams was going to put 10 men on the field in honor of Sean....

Jim Fassell claims that he and Gregg didn't get the job because they didn't feel that Jason Campbell should be the starting QB. Jim Fassell has since confirmed this in many interviews that he did following the HC search...Williams hasn't spoken about it that I know of. Think about it. Both guys were probably fine with the idea that Jim Zorn would be the offensive coordinator. But when both guys balked at the idea of having Campbell be cemented as the starter, it threw a wrench in the FO's plans. They clearly wanted a coach that could develop Campbell as a quality starter.

For what it's worth, Neither Fassell nor Gibbs, nor Gregg Williams would have made Campbell find "it". Like the great Peyton Manning said, you either get it or you don't, when it comes to playing QB.

But it's true what Goat says. How can you expect anybody respectable to come and work for Snyder/Cerrato at this point? I say if he gets rid of Vinny, then the situation would seem alot better...

I don't remember hearing anything about Snyder and Williams specifically disagreeing on JC's future as a reason for Williams getting fired. And what you said about Williams being ok w/ Zorn as OC doesn't jive w/ my memory either. I thought Williams had a great deal of respect for Saunders and wanted him to run the offense, but obviously Snyder and Vinny wanted Saunders gone pronto.

That said you're probably right Jason likely wouldn't have been the immediate starter if Williams had got his way. The offense looked better than it had for a very long time (and ever since btw) IMO when Collins took over in '07, after Jason got hurt. Basically that's the last time I remember our offense being fun to watch. Saunders would have likely wanted his guy in there to start the '08 season, allowing JC to work into the scheme more slowly. Personally I think it would have worked i.e. the team would be better off today had the ownership taken that path.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I don't remember hearing anything about Snyder and Williams specifically disagreeing on JC's future as a reason for Williams getting fired. And what you said about Williams being ok w/ Zorn as OC doesn't jive w/ my memory either. I thought Williams had a great deal of respect for Saunders and wanted him to run the offense, but obviously Snyder and Vinny wanted Saunders gone pronto.

That said you're probably right Jason likely wouldn't have been the immediate starter if Williams had got his way. The offense looked better than it had for a very long time (and ever since btw) IMO when Collins took over in '07, after Jason got hurt. Basically that's the last time I remember our offense being fun to watch. Saunders would have likely wanted his guy in there to start the '08 season, allowing JC to work into the scheme more slowly. Personally I think it would have worked i.e. the team would be better off today had the ownership taken that path.

does this mean you think collins should have been the starter the past two years? if so i have a bone to pick, i've NEVER been a big jc supporter but i have said he is not the #1 problem and could easily make 5 to 6 teams in the nfl better if he was on the team. Collins is just a name for fans to yell when they get pissed that jc isn't making plays, he is in no way a starting qb in the nfl, i think that was proven two weeks ago

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

does this mean you think collins should have been the starter the past two years? if so i have a bone to pick, i've NEVER been a big jc supporter but i have said he is not the #1 problem and could easily make 5 to 6 teams in the nfl better if he was on the team. Collins is just a name for fans to yell when they get pissed that jc isn't making plays, he is in no way a starting qb in the nfl, i think that was proven two weeks ago

Young padewa I once thought as you, but JC is degressing if anything as a starter. During the preseason Cutler crap I thought JC could in fact leave the team to become a starter for say Oakland, KC, TB, etc, but now I don't think too many teams are going to put a premium on him other than a backup.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Young padewa I once thought as you, but JC is degressing if anything as a starter. During the preseason Cutler crap I thought JC could in fact leave the team to become a starter for say Oakland, KC, TB, etc, but now I don't think too many teams are going to put a premium on him other than a backup.

i'm not saying he is a great qb all i am sayin is he isn't the #1 problem, and to say he could start on 5 or so teams in the nfl and make them better might sound good but doesn't carry that much weight, i'm talkin oakland, tampa, st. louis, clevland, kansas city, j'ville, as bad as he is here he could easily ad one win to each of their schedules

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

does this mean you think collins should have been the starter the past two years? if so i have a bone to pick, i've NEVER been a big jc supporter but i have said he is not the #1 problem and could easily make 5 to 6 teams in the nfl better if he was on the team. Collins is just a name for fans to yell when they get pissed that jc isn't making plays, he is in no way a starting qb in the nfl, i think that was proven two weeks ago

Hmmm I guess I could be more clear. Collins was Saunders student/backup QB for something like 10 years. Is Collins a tremendous talent w/ superior physical ability? Far from it. But he's very bright and dedicated and in Saunders offense he led the offense effectively in the time he was given, so I think logically Saunders would have liked to see Collins continue to lead while JC watched and learned how the system is supposed to run. I believe Tripp has said at one point or another Collins wasn't statistically fantastic (similar to Jason's stats); however what I believe is Collins was more effective finishing drives and finding his targets as the field gets so short in the redzone. In the current offensive system, if you can call it that, it's hard to say whether Collins would fare better than Jason over say a 6 game stretch. Probably doesn't matter...

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Hmmm I guess I could be more clear. Collins was Saunders student/backup QB for something like 10 years. Is Collins a tremendous talent w/ superior physical ability? Far from it. But he's very bright and dedicated and in Saunders offense he led the offense effectively in the time he was given, so I think logically Saunders would have liked to see Collins continue to lead while JC watched and learned how the system is supposed to run. I believe Tripp has said at one point or another Collins wasn't statistically fantastic (similar to Jason's stats); however what I believe is Collins was more effective finishing drives and finding his targets as the field gets so short in the redzone. In the current offensive system, if you can call it that, it's hard to say whether Collins would fare better than Jason over say a 6 game stretch. Probably doesn't matter...

exactly, bottom line this year 6-10 is for us wishful thinkers