Campbell's numbers dont lie

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Rodgers is kinda clueless out there.

He's a GREAT passer when he gets the ball out quickly and in rhythm because he's deadly accurate and he has the best receiving corps in the NFL. He just can't seem to find his second read quickly, knowing that the Vikings are bearing down on him.

And his line does suck. But at least his backs can pick up a blitz.

Rogers makes MORE THAN enough plays so you take the good and the bad...cause the good outweighs the bad by a mile. . And I would hardly call his wr's the best in the NFL. After watching Rogers for a two years what I've seen is a guy that is good enough to be effective when things are not perfect around him. With Campbell it seems everything has to be perfect for him to be effective.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Rogers makes MORE THAN enough plays so you take the good and the bad...cause the good outweighs the bad by a mile. . And I would hardly call his wr's the best in the NFL. After watching Rogers for a two years what I've seen is a guy that is good enough to be effective when things are not perfect around him. With Campbell it seems everything has to be perfect for him to be effective.

Well, Rodgers has some really great numbers. I don't think you can argue that he isn't getting it done. My issue there is that, while I feel he is getting it done, I feel like while watching him that this is pretty much all you are going to get from him.

And I'd take what Rodgers is giving the Packers any day over what Campbell is offering the Redskins. Problem is, I don't think it would take very much additional offensive talent at all to tilt the scales in Campbell's favor. It's sort of sad to say that the best offensive unit JC ever had was the vastly flawed 2007 team, especially since Portis really didn't get going until late in the year that year, but it really hasn't gotten any better for us since that year.

I could see Rodgers as the GB QB for the next ten years, but I could also see him out of a job by 2011. It all depends on what direction they go with that franchise. He does seem to be in the perfect offense for his skill set, and somewhat unfazed by the pass rush.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, Rodgers has some really great numbers. I don't think you can argue that he isn't getting it done. My issue there is that, while I feel he is getting it done, I feel like while watching him that this is pretty much all you are going to get from him.

And I'd take what Rodgers is giving the Packers any day over what Campbell is offering the Redskins. Problem is, I don't think it would take very much additional offensive talent at all to tilt the scales in Campbell's favor. It's sort of sad to say that the best offensive unit JC ever had was the vastly flawed 2007 team, especially since Portis really didn't get going until late in the year that year, but it really hasn't gotten any better for us since that year.

I could see Rodgers as the GB QB for the next ten years, but I could also see him out of a job by 2011. It all depends on what direction they go with that franchise. He does seem to be in the perfect offense for his skill set, and somewhat unfazed by the pass rush.

I don't think AR will be unemployed for a very long time.

I just think it's time for us to turn the page on JC. He's never had great players around him and probably never will here. But McNabb has never had great wr's either. When I see Todd Collins come off the bench and outplay JC that was one thing. But when hear guys that watch the coaches tape all say the same things I've been wondering, I think it's JC that's the problem....doesn't get the ball out on time, sloppy footwork, inaccurate, ball security issues, locks in on one wr...... I like the guy and I hope it works out for him but I just think it's time to move on.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't think AR will be unemployed for a very long time.

I just think it's time for us to turn the page on JC. He's never had great players around him and probably never will here. But McNabb has never had great wr's either. When I see Todd Collins come off the bench and outplay JC that was one thing. But when hear guys that watch the coaches tape all say the same things I've been wondering, I think it's JC that's the problem....doesn't get the ball out on time, sloppy footwork, inaccurate, ball security issues, locks in on one wr...... I like the guy and I hope it works out for him but I just think it's time to move on.

When did Todd Collins play well off the bench? 2007? I guess...

McNabb and Campbell is still an interesting comparison because both guys have been under imense pressure to perform over the last 3 years or so, and McNabb's results just don't seem to move with the talent he's been given. McNabb is actually having a worse year than Campbell, and remarkably is doing it with DeSean Jackson having the best year by a NFC East receiver since Moss '05. I don't really know why that's happening.

McNabb, however, is still winning because the Philadelphia defense has been excellent, and Oakland game aside, they've put away the teams they are supposed to beat in the first half. Philly also got two of their best three passing performances of the year when they went to Kevin Kolb.

People in the know seem to think that McNabb's on the hot seat as well. But there's no reason to think the Eagles won't keep winning because they're simply not built around their quarterback.

You could say that McNabb is the problem in Philly, but because they are winning, his Campbell-level play bothers no one. We could easily find our own Kevin Kolb in the draft, but it's not like he'd be successful here.

[Trample the Elderly]

Don't compare McNabb to Soup. McNabb is a good QB. Soup is an average QB at best.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Don't compare McNabb to Soup. McNabb is a good QB. Soup is an average QB at best.

Well, right, but how much of that is because the Philly defense manages to be great every year.

If McNabb had a below .500 win percentage, but was the exact same quarterback, would people still say he was good? I really don't think they would, though certainly, I could be wrong.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, right, but how much of that is because the Philly defense manages to be great every year.

If McNabb had a below .500 win percentage, but was the exact same quarterback, would people still say he was good? I really don't think they would, though certainly, I could be wrong.

Winning cures everything. I mean last year during the first half of the season we had similar offensive issues, but no one was talking much about them b/c we were winning.

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't think AR will be unemployed for a very long time.

I just think it's time for us to turn the page on JC. He's never had great players around him and probably never will here. But McNabb has never had great wr's either. When I see Todd Collins come off the bench and outplay JC that was one thing. But when hear guys that watch the coaches tape all say the same things I've been wondering, I think it's JC that's the problem....doesn't get the ball out on time, sloppy footwork, inaccurate, ball security issues, locks in on one wr...... I like the guy and I hope it works out for him but I just think it's time to move on.

Well he's had Westbrook, who up until recently was a game-changing playmaker for the Eagles. I just don't think we've ever had a player like that in our team.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, right, but how much of that is because the Philly defense manages to be great every year.

If McNabb had a below .500 win percentage, but was the exact same quarterback, would people still say he was good? I really don't think they would, though certainly, I could be wrong.

None of that matters, at least to me. The only thing that matters to me is having a winning team. McNabb is a winner. Campbell is a loser. If he was so great then he'd not have been trade bait.

No matter what, he's done just like this season. He's shell shocked. There are only two more important games for me. The rest is a throw away season. If anything, I'd rather have the #1 draft pick.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

When did Todd Collins play well off the bench? 2007? I guess...

McNabb and Campbell is still an interesting comparison because both guys have been under imense pressure to perform over the last 3 years or so, and McNabb's results just don't seem to move with the talent he's been given. McNabb is actually having a worse year than Campbell, and remarkably is doing it with DeSean Jackson having the best year by a NFC East receiver since Moss '05. I don't really know why that's happening.

McNabb, however, is still winning because the Philadelphia defense has been excellent, and Oakland game aside, they've put away the teams they are supposed to beat in the first half. Philly also got two of their best three passing performances of the year when they went to Kevin Kolb.

People in the know seem to think that McNabb's on the hot seat as well. But there's no reason to think the Eagles won't keep winning because they're simply not built around their quarterback.

You could say that McNabb is the problem in Philly, but because they are winning, his Campbell-level play bothers no one. We could easily find our own Kevin Kolb in the draft, but it's not like he'd be successful here.

And McNabb has nothing to do with Philly being a consistent winner for the past 9 or 10 years. lol. No need to over analyze it. McNabb is a proven winner. He's not the most gifted passer but he makes plays and that's why he's been a top QB. Kolb had some good games this year and he might be a real good player. But McNabb has been doing it for years. Time will tell on Kolb. But there is no comparison with McNabb and JC.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

McNabb and Campbell is still an interesting comparison because both guys have been under imense pressure to perform over the last 3 years or so, and McNabb's results just don't seem to move with the talent he's been given. McNabb is actually having a worse year than Campbell, and remarkably is doing it with DeSean Jackson having the best year by a NFC East receiver since Moss '05. I don't really know why that's happening.

McNabb, however, is still winning because the Philadelphia defense has been excellent, and Oakland game aside, they've put away the teams they are supposed to beat in the first half. Philly also got two of their best three passing performances of the year when they went to Kevin Kolb.

I gotta disagree with you about McNabb playing worse then JC.

McNabb i think has grown very averse to pressure in his face more so then in the past, he wants the ball out of his hands so quickly that he bunny hops a few throws a game.

From watching the past 2 Eagles, I got the feeling like McNabb is testing out his new weapons on offense. McNabb especially againt us seemed to be looking vertical really looking for the big chunk plays.
(Eli was doing the same thing although less successful making some bad reads/choice and was off target.)
I kinda wish that JC would adopt some of this mentality, but its gonna be hard with this OL and the receivers are gonna have to make plays and the Sherman Lewis is gonna have to open it up.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't think AR will be unemployed for a very long time.

I just think it's time for us to turn the page on JC. He's never had great players around him and probably never will here. But McNabb has never had great wr's either. When I see Todd Collins come off the bench and outplay JC that was one thing. But when hear guys that watch the coaches tape all say the same things I've been wondering, I think it's JC that's the problem....doesn't get the ball out on time, sloppy footwork, inaccurate, ball security issues, locks in on one wr...... I like the guy and I hope it works out for him but I just think it's time to move on.

I dont know if TC outplayed JC but with no live game action since 2007 and almost no practice with the 1st team O he did play about as good as JC which says a lot about JC as a QB.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by irish

I dont know if TC outplayed JC but with no live game action since 2007 and almost no practice with the 1st team O he did play about as good as JC which says a lot about JC as a QB.

I'm talking about the 07 season.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm talking about the 07 season.

Had JC played that entire season I doubt the Skins would have made the playoffs.

As for comparing JC to McNabb, that's the funniest thing I ever heard. Its like comparing Secretariat to a $5000 claimer at Charles Town, there is no comparison.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by irish

Had JC played that entire season I doubt the Skins would have made the playoffs.

As for comparing JC to McNabb, that's the funniest thing I ever heard. Its like comparing Secretariat to a $5000 claimer at Charles Town, there is no comparison.

I agree we don't.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by irish

Had JC played that entire season I doubt the Skins would have made the playoffs.

As for comparing JC to McNabb, that's the funniest thing I ever heard. Its like comparing Secretariat to a $5000 claimer at Charles Town, there is no comparison.

Or kind of like comparing Todd Collins to Jason Campbell. It's like we know one to be better than the other, but some nimrods still think we we unlikely to make the playoffs with Campbell. It's just a bad comparison, you're right.