Our next coach??

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Check into Shanahan's draft misses and get back to me. I don't think the difference between the two is as great as you think.

i thought that shanahan was the gm for awhile with the broncos but it seems a guy named lundquist (sp?) was the gm from 2002 to 2008.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Check into Shanahan's draft misses and get back to me. I don't think the difference between the two is as great as you think.

Check out the 2007 draft. Not bad.

111Jay Cutler QBVanderbilt261Tony Scheffler TEWestern Michigan4119Brandon Marshall WRCentral Florida4126Elvis Dumervil DELouisville4130Domenik Hixon WRAkron

It's hard to evaluate all of his drafts, since I don't know their roster up and down. I do know they have always had young talented players on offense and defense. Cutler (in Denver) lit it up. The guy can play. Their offensive line has always been very good. They could essentially plug in any moderately talented RB and he's a star in Denver. Cutler, B Marshall, OL-men, E Royal, Sheffler, DJ Williams, Dumervil, etc. Shanahan drafted some good talent.

To compare him and Vinny you have to look at the whole thing though. If you just want to compare drafts, I can't imagine VC has drafted better than the Broncos. It's also hard b/c you don't know who VC actually picked. Sounds like JG's picked ST, Cooley, and some others. Who knows though? Right now, right this second it looks like the only impact player that we can be sure VC drafted is Orakpo. Of course thats only a 2 yr sample though.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Check into Shanahan's draft misses and get back to me. I don't think the difference between the two is as great as you think.

For one thing, it wouldn't be a good comparison because Shanahan has had so many more picks than we have.

How about we compare overall records over the last ten years and you get back to me?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

And a .500 record over his last 3 seasons is what got Shanahan fired.

The more I think about Shanahan running things the less I like the idea. I just think we could be in for more of the same like we have with Vinny.

Interesting thought: what would Shanahan's last three years have looked like if he didn't have Gibbs/Snyder/Cerrato to frontload him talent? Like, if Champ goes elsewhere, and they don't get the Campbell choice in 2006 to trade up and get Cutler, and also they don't get the Marshall pick.

Would Shanny have even made it to 2008?

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Interesting thought: what would Shanahan's last three years have looked like if he didn't have Gibbs/Snyder/Cerrato to frontload him talent? Like, if Champ goes elsewhere, and they don't get the Campbell choice in 2006 to trade up and get Cutler, and also they don't get the Marshall pick.

Would Shanny have even made it to 2008?

Did they pick Marshall w/the 4th that we gave them in the JC deal or was it their pick?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Did they pick Marshall w/the 4th that we gave them in the JC deal or was it their pick?

It was our fourth, I believe, but I can't confirm this.

[diehardskin2982]

how many of you believe in a shannahan HC, Sherm Lewis OC combination? In this scenario the deal has already been done and although Mike denied taking the HC job during the season, but he did tell them to hire Lewis as a "consultant" that will convert to OC with him next season.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

how many of you believe in a shannahan HC, Sherm Lewis OC combination? In this scenario the deal has already been done and although Mike denied taking the HC job during the season, but he did tell them to hire Lewis as a "consultant" that will convert to OC with him next season.

Well it was Steve Mariucci that suggested the Lewis hiring

[franklinhimself]

Call me crazy: I think Zorn should stay HC and be able to draft his own qb like so many other coaches get to do--- the coined term "his guy". If we keep Lewis who has our offense not looking so bad, we've got our 3rd year in the same system, same coach, more developed players (davis, kelly, thomas, rhinehart). We draft qb and o line, and i feel more confident in that than starting fresh again. we should let zorn continue to build his staff.

im basically saying this because I don't like shanahan. he only accomplished what he did because of davis and elway. Broncos were good at best in his tenure otherwise.

[Zerohero]

Originally Posted by franklinhimself

Call me crazy: I think Zorn should stay HC and be able to draft his own qb like so many other coaches get to do--- the coined term "his guy". If we keep Lewis who has our offense not looking so bad, we've got our 3rd year in the same system, same coach, more developed players (davis, kelly, thomas, rhinehart). We draft qb and o line, and i feel more confident in that than starting fresh again. we should let zorn continue to build his staff.

im basically saying this because I don't like shanahan. he only accomplished what he did because of davis and elway. Broncos were good at best in his tenure otherwise.

Yeah your crazy, a guy who was recently running bingo games came in and instantly got our offense clicking. The fact is Zorn was never meant to be the HC and shouldnt have gotten the job.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by franklinhimself

Call me crazy: I think Zorn should stay HC and be able to draft his own qb like so many other coaches get to do--- the coined term "his guy". If we keep Lewis who has our offense not looking so bad, we've got our 3rd year in the same system, same coach, more developed players (davis, kelly, thomas, rhinehart). We draft qb and o line, and i feel more confident in that than starting fresh again. we should let zorn continue to build his staff.

im basically saying this because I don't like shanahan. he only accomplished what he did because of davis and elway. Broncos were good at best in his tenure otherwise.

you are crazy

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by franklinhimself

Call me crazy: I think Zorn should stay HC and be able to draft his own qb like so many other coaches get to do--- the coined term "his guy". If we keep Lewis who has our offense not looking so bad, we've got our 3rd year in the same system, same coach, more developed players (davis, kelly, thomas, rhinehart). We draft qb and o line, and i feel more confident in that than starting fresh again. we should let zorn continue to build his staff.

im basically saying this because I don't like shanahan. he only accomplished what he did because of davis and elway. Broncos were good at best in his tenure otherwise.

Call me crazy- I think we should fire Zorn and all the rest of the coach's. Forget about Shanahan. Throw the world at Marty Schottenheimer to take the GM/HCing job for 2-3 yrs and give the OC job to his son Brian Schotteheimer. Then after 2-3 yrs Marty can be GM and son can be HC. I'll give you guys Jerry Gray for the defensive side of the ball.

I'm basically saying this because I don't like Zorn or Shanahan. Shanahan does not strike me as the hard nosed type HC we need. Zorn definitly is not the hard nosed HC. Zorn is not a good HC. His motivational skill are lacking "stay medium." WTF? Hell no get f-ing excited. Show some emotion. Pound the ball. ???

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Call me crazy- I think we should fire Zorn and all the rest of the coach's. Forget about Shanahan. Throw the world at Marty Schottenheimer to take the GM/HCing job for 2-3 yrs and give the OC job to his son Brian Schotteheimer. Then after 2-3 yrs Marty can be GM and son can be HC. I'll give you guys Jerry Gray for the defensive side of the ball.

I'm basically saying this because I don't like Zorn or Shanahan. Shanahan does not strike me as the hard nosed type HC we need. Zorn definitly is not the hard nosed HC. Zorn is not a good HC. His motivational skill are lacking "stay medium." WTF? Hell no get f-ing excited. Show some emotion. Pound the ball. ???

you are not crazy, i still will never understand why we got rid of marty, he is what we need right now a strict hard nose old school coach with know how, but even snyder might not have enough money to make up with marty

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by franklinhimself

Call me crazy: I think Zorn should stay HC and be able to draft his own qb like so many other coaches get to do--- the coined term "his guy". If we keep Lewis who has our offense not looking so bad, we've got our 3rd year in the same system, same coach, more developed players (davis, kelly, thomas, rhinehart). We draft qb and o line, and i feel more confident in that than starting fresh again. we should let zorn continue to build his staff.

im basically saying this because I don't like shanahan. he only accomplished what he did because of davis and elway. Broncos were good at best in his tenure otherwise.

don't need a head coach to groom a QB

[franklinhimself]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

don't need a head coach to groom a QB

Don't understand your comment. Usually a hc means a new regime, new system, new qb. Zorn inherited Campbell.