Our next coach??

[mlmdub130]

do you not think that he has certain people telling him that he needs to have the big names in though? because with marko's size and production in the preseason can you honestly see ANY team in the nfl not giving him a shot before the 9th week?

and that 17 againgts the giants was trash points at the end anyway, but we had 17 against the panters philly and atl

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

do you not think that he has certain people telling him that he needs to have the big names in though? because with marko's size and production in the preseason can you honestly see ANY team in the nfl not giving him a shot before the 9th week?

and that 17 againgts the giants was trash points at the end anyway, but we had 17 against the panters philly and atl

I don't really understand your point. My point is our offense has looked substantially more dynamic, again IMO, since Lewis started calling. It's not the plays themselves, but the use of them. I know when Zorn was calling plays full time, I could predict fairly close what our play was, and I am no where near the caliber of the DCoordinators in the NFL. And the 17 points against philly and atl, were under lewis, and against real defenses.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I don't really understand your point. My point is our offense has looked substantially more dynamic, again IMO, since Lewis started calling. It's not the plays themselves, but the use of them. I know when Zorn was calling plays full time, I could predict fairly close what our play was, and I am no where near the caliber of the DCoordinators in the NFL. And the 17 points against philly and atl, were under lewis, and against real defenses.

i just think zorn is on a leash and told what he is allowed to do, i think that any coach wanting to "find a spark" would try a seemingly amazing talent in mithcell

and as far as the play calling i honestly haven't seen anything that drastic, i guess you are refering to the times in which plays are called, i just feel that are o was the same with minor changes if the first few games with sherm, but once cp went out we started to light it up.

i guess my point would be that sherm has helped out a little bit, but portis getting a concusion actually helped us out more, as weird as that may seem, just because portis has been playing hurt all year and no one could actually stop him from sutiing up and playing, until he got the concussion

betts has been PRACTICING with first team and has a rythm with them which goes a long way

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

i just think zorn is on a leash and told what he is allowed to do, i think that any coach wanting to "find a spark" would try a seemingly amazing talent in mithcell

and as far as the play calling i honestly haven't seen anything that drastic, i guess you are refering to the times in which plays are called, i just feel that are o was the same with minor changes if the first few games with sherm, but once cp went out we started to light it up.

i guess my point would be that sherm has helped out a little bit, but portis getting a concusion actually helped us out more, as weird as that may seem, just because portis has been playing hurt all year and no one could actually stop him from sutiing up and playing, until he got the concussion

betts has been PRACTICING with first team and has a rythm with them which goes a long way

I think most of us were calling for Ladell Betts to be released this season because when he comes in the game he did not make plays. I think the O-Line has blocked much better the last 2 games than they have all season. Lets not mistake it that Portis is a better back than Betts will ever be but maybe Portis was playing hurst and also our O-line was just awful the 1st 7 games. This Sunday against Dallas we will see how well Betts does against a good Dallas front 7. Ladell Betts better hope our O-line can block Jay Rattlif and Demarcus Ware or it will be a long day for him.

[warpaint]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I don't really understand your point. My point is our offense has looked substantially more dynamic, again IMO, since Lewis started calling. It's not the plays themselves, but the use of them. I know when Zorn was calling plays full time, I could predict fairly close what our play was, and I am no where near the caliber of the DCoordinators in the NFL. And the 17 points against philly and atl, were under lewis, and against real defenses.

I heard somewhere a while back that Zorn complained about not being able to get to his fiftenth play until late in the third qtr. He expressed that to the media or something with that said, he pretty much is calling a handfull of plays repeatedly without even adjusting to the defense. So the reason our offense had been so weak was that he was calling plays over and over again that where not having an effect. For instance earlier in the year on those goal line plays he ran to the left and were stuffed he just never adjusted to the personnel or anything.

He is not a coach look at ARE, still back there letting the ball bounce back for like 20 yds in a critical part of the game.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by warpaint

I heard somewhere a while back that Zorn complained about not being able to get to his fiftenth play until late in the third qtr. He expressed that to the media or something with that said, he pretty much is calling a handfull of plays repeatedly without even adjusting to the defense. So the reason our offense had been so weak was that he was calling plays over and over again that where not having an effect. For instance earlier in the year on those goal line plays he ran to the left and were stuffed he just never adjusted to the personnel or anything.

He is not a coach look at ARE, still back there letting the ball bounce back for like 20 yds in a critical part of the game.

or when the red zone was failing and the comment surfaced that we had one play for Cooley and we already used it. Compare that to Lewis in the redzone, I can't remember the specifics, but basically he went to davis it didn't work so he went right back to him. But what really got me, was when we had to call a timeout because Zorn was waiting on a measure. He said that he had to know exactly before he could decide on a play. Well, maybe you have 2 plays ready, but to not have a play ready once the measure is done is ridiculous.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

He said that he had to know exactly before he could decide on a play. Well, maybe you have 2 plays ready, but to not have a play ready once the measure is done is ridiculous.

so is throwing a fade to are in the endzone, so....

[mlmdub130]

this damn wireless keyboard does not help my bad spelling either

[CRedskinsRule]

I don't know that I think Zorn is on a leash, I think he firmly believes in the starter has the job, and doesn't lose it. Who do you think tells Zorn to play or not play WR's or keep ARE at punt returns? If anything I think since the losses to the 0fers, Zorn is being forced to play others, and that also is helping us.
I agree that CP out has also helped, sad to say. but also the comfort with the new play calling system has helped too. It's just a case where so much has changed it's hard to see which specific change has had the most effect. I tend to mark the difference at the point where JZ lost playcalling, but I can see your point as well.

[mlmdub130]

you both make good points and i agree with both, i guess i just feel for the guy and don't wanna put all the blame on him, i feel like he is a scape goat at this point

[CRedskinsRule]

probably, but i think if he shows leadership, and keeps the team together after that dreadful start, he still may show something. And if he wins in dallas again, 2-0 in dallas goes far as a skins fan!

[rbanerjee23]

Dude if we start winning more games and scoring more points and Sherman Lewis is the cause...i have no problem with him being the next coach.

[53Fan]

I've been a Zorn supporter from the start but as CRedskinsRule has pointed out before, his playcalling has not been that great. He seems to try to be too smart in the redzone. For example the stretch play works in theory, but running straight ahead works best for US. We don't always have to outsmart people in the redzone, just outplay them. It may do him good to stand back a little and learn. We started moving the ball when Betts took over and that doesn't really surprise me. For one thing he knows the plays and practices behind the o-line throughout the week. Half the time I don't have a clue what Portis is trying to do and I'm not sure if he knows either. I'm glad to see Betts get his chance because even though Portis has more talent, Betts is a better fit because he puts in the effort during the week and the o-line knows they can count on him. They know he's gonna hit the hole and run downhill. Portis usually runs into their back or falls down then complains about the blocking.

[warpaint]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I don't have a clue what Portis is trying to do and I'm not sure if he knows either .

I think he wants to be like Plaxico not practice and be effective. But it hasnt worked that well now with this real injury he screwed himself because of his self-centered lazy attitude.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I've been a Zorn supporter from the start but as CRedskinsRule has pointed out before, his playcalling has not been that great. He seems to try to be too smart in the redzone. For example the stretch play works in theory, but running straight ahead works best for US. We don't always have to outsmart people in the redzone, just outplay them. It may do him good to stand back a little and learn. We started moving the ball when Betts took over and that doesn't really surprise me. For one thing he knows the plays and practices behind the o-line throughout the week. Half the time I don't have a clue what Portis is trying to do and I'm not sure if he knows either. I'm glad to see Betts get his chance because even though Portis has more talent, Betts is a better fit because he puts in the effort during the week and the o-line knows they can count on him. They know he's gonna hit the hole and run downhill. Portis usually runs into their back or falls down then complains about the blocking.

Yea we dont have the backs to be running stretch plays. Our backs are better suited to run down hill. Good coaches no what their players strengths are and call plays that help them make plays.