Offensive Line

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I was saying that back on draft day, but some people here were all for the idea of developing Cody Glenn. And how did that one go, as for our season? Yeah thats what I thought.

I dont remember anyone saying that they liked that pick.

Also Jamon Meridith was available late in the 5th.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Piggybacking on what I've just said, you could see the inability of the offensive line to open up holes way back in 2007. Samuels was healthy then, so the pass protection wasn't awful that year, but the point is, you could have seen the end coming, even assuming a healthy Samuels, which would have turned out to be an incorrect assumption.

I think it's long been documented that Vinny feels that lineman are misvalued in the draft and that a good coach will find offensive lineman just off the scrap heap, but even given that assumption, he never really committed to the OL in the late round either. That could have been done in this draft.

THe problem has been there with the O line even before Gibbs came back. UNfortunately we only drafted Jansen and Samuels, while we should have kept drafting one linemen a year thereafter, if for nothing else than depth. THe FO screwed up later on by using expensive FAs, giving up picks in the process for shoring up the line. THe only way out of this without having to wait 3-5 seasons to get a new line in place would be to trade Portis, Moss, or Haynesworth for multiple picks. I would even consider trading Cooley also.

[T.O.Killa]

It looks to me like Mike Williams is back up to 370. Has anyone else noticed his fat ass getting bigger.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

It looks to me like Mike Williams is back up to 370. Has anyone else noticed his fat ass getting bigger.

I actually think he's looking good. He's down around 340 last I knew. Too bad his play wasn't as exceptional as his weight loss, but it's hard to blame him much, he's doing the best that he can. Gotta blame the front office for having a guy like this as a backup plan.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I actually think he's looking good. He's down around 340 last I knew. Too bad his play wasn't as exceptional as his weight loss, but it's hard to blame him much, he's doing the best that he can. Gotta blame the front office for having a guy like this as a backup plan.

I know that he got down to 340, but looking at him on tv it looks like he is gaining it back

[The Goat]

Ok I've been sorta slacking on my WP time lately, but I come back and feel like it's the twilight zone. How the eff do we talk exclusively about Vinny in regard to our o-line being the worst in professional football? How many times have I heard people say Vinny really took control just two years ago? We've almost completely ignored the line since Chris Samuels or appx ten years ago. The one consistent person over the era: Snyder and Snyder alone. Why the pretending he's not the reason for what's happened? Why the pretending he doesn't play a major role in personnel?

...I'm sorry but blaming Vinny is getting old. He's just a weird little toady who had almost nothing going for him when Snyder saw the perfect sycophant sitting at his little desk on ESPN one day. Vinny sucks at his job. No other franchise would let him beyond their lower level scouting. But Vinny didn't hire himself. C'mon.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Ok I've been sorta slacking on my WP time lately, but I come back and feel like it's the twilight zone. How the eff do we talk exclusively about Vinny in regard to our o-line being the worst in professional football? How many times have I heard people say Vinny really took control just two years ago? We've almost completely ignored the line since Chris Samuels or appx ten years ago. The one consistent person over the era: Snyder and Snyder alone. Why the pretending he's not the reason for what's happened? Why the pretending he doesn't play a major role in personnel?

...I'm sorry but blaming Vinny is getting old. He's just a weird little toady who had almost nothing going for him when Snyder saw the perfect sycophant sitting at his little desk on ESPN one day. Vinny sucks at his job. No other franchise would let him beyond their lower level scouting. But Vinny didn't hire himself. C'mon.

That makes sense ala AL Snyderato.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Ok I've been sorta slacking on my WP time lately, but I come back and feel like it's the twilight zone. How the eff do we talk exclusively about Vinny in regard to our o-line being the worst in professional football? How many times have I heard people say Vinny really took control just two years ago? We've almost completely ignored the line since Chris Samuels or appx ten years ago. The one consistent person over the era: Snyder and Snyder alone. Why the pretending he's not the reason for what's happened? Why the pretending he doesn't play a major role in personnel?

...I'm sorry but blaming Vinny is getting old. He's just a weird little toady who had almost nothing going for him when Snyder saw the perfect sycophant sitting at his little desk on ESPN one day. Vinny sucks at his job. No other franchise would let him beyond their lower level scouting. But Vinny didn't hire himself. C'mon.

Don't worry, Danny is getting his share of the blame(see mImpetert and mImdub, et al). But Vinny should be gone. He deserves a good deal of the blame as he is the one putting this roster together. Everyone I have heard says this is the team VC wanted to put together, that he thought he assembled the pieces needed, from HC down to the last player on the practice squad, to bring winning football back to DC. Clearly he does not know what it takes to bring a winning team to DC and he should be let go post haste.

[skinsfan69]

I simply can't believe that someone put this group of linemen on an NFL roster. It's simply awful. JC may not be the future here but I feel bad for him. No QB (or RB) can operate behind this line.

[MTK]

It's a jailbreak nearly every time JC drops back. I honestly feel bad for the guy.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

It's a jailbreak nearly every time JC drops back. I honestly feel bad for the guy.

Since the Panthers game, teams have figured out that our protection schemes are just as vulnerable to 3 man rushes as 4 man rushes. It's not that you can't get pressure on our QB with 4 guys, it's that: why would you even give our receivers a chance?

It's worth pointing out that if the quarterback can't get 5 to 6 seconds against a 3 man rush, he doesn't have a prayer of getting more than 5 yards on a pass. Right now, not only can Campbell not get 5 to 6 seconds to throw, he's not even likely to get a throw off anymore.

The protection skills of players like Sellers and Betts are just frankly embarrassing. We're keeping a sixth guy in to help protect the quarterback, and they're just so useless.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

It's a jailbreak nearly every time JC drops back. I honestly feel bad for the guy.

When he lead the team to those two scoring drives beat up & battered he showed leadership qualities, he showed heart, and most importantly he showed me if he had more help upfront we could possibly score 20+ and be a threat. Looking at the replays this morning seeing Josh Freeman, Chad Henne & others having time to throw makes me sick.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

When he lead the team to those two scoring drives beat up & battered he showed leadership qualities, he showed heart, and most importantly he showed me if he had more help upfront we could possibly score 20+ and be a threat. Looking at the replays this morning seeing Josh Freeman, Chad Henne & others having time to throw makes me sick.

And they had a running game, which hasn't happened all season (it seems). The defense also couldn't come with a key stop (Turner's 58-yd TD) and changed the dynamic of the next offensive possession. Oh well.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

And they had a running game, which hasn't happened all season (it seems). The defense also couldn't come with a key stop (Turner's 58-yd TD) and changed the dynamic of the next offensive possession. Oh well.

Yeah the defense killed the momentum of a possible comeback the nail in the coffin

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

It's a jailbreak nearly every time JC drops back. I honestly feel bad for the guy.

As do I, he's seriously going to get a major injury behind this joke of a line. He's doing great considering what he has to work with. Sacked 11 times in the past 2 weeks.

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

When he lead the team to those two scoring drives beat up & battered he showed leadership qualities, he showed heart, and most importantly he showed me if he had more help upfront we could possibly score 20+ and be a threat. Looking at the replays this morning seeing Josh Freeman, Chad Henne & others having time to throw makes me sick.

Well said.