Portis is a BIG problem!!!

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

clinton portis has gone over 1000 yards the past 2 seasons and has nearly 500 yards this season already behind the offensive line that is giving jason campbell fits

maybe im missing the big picture as an outsider but it seems like this is a case of disappointed fans looking for a person to blame the season on

i know a couple of you guys said he isnt the best player on the team, so i was wondering who you guys thought is the best player?

Portis is one of the few backs that gets almost ALL of his team's carries. Most teams are smart enough to platoon their RBs, thus utilizing all of their weapons, keeping their personnel fresh all season and giving opposing Defenses more to prepare for. There are several teams with 2 RBs better than Portis.

Portis' numbers are not impressive at all, especially considering how much he gets paid. Running Back is one of the most irrelevant positions in football, yet the Skins highest paid player on Offense is a Running Back. No wonder there's no depth across the O line. Cheap, young and hungry is what your RB should be.

[CantonLegend]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Portis is one of the few backs that gets almost ALL of his team's carries. Most teams are smart enough to platoon their RBs, thus utilizing all of their weapons, keeping their personnel fresh all season and giving opposing Defenses more to prepare for. There are several teams with 2 RBs better than Portis.

Portis' numbers are not impressive at all, especially considering how much he gets paid. Running Back is one of the most irrelevant positions in football, yet the Skins highest paid player on Offense is a Running Back. No wonder there's no depth across the O line. Cheap, young and hungry is what your RB should be.

portis is getting paid to get all the carries.....other teams split up the carries because they split up the money......portis has earned his paycheck and his carries

his numbers are not impressive? does he have to lead the league in rushing for his numbers to be impressive? does he have to break 10 tackles every play for him to be impressive? the team is terrible, not portis

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Jumping the gun? Hating on Portis? Dude, what are you talking about? We've been watching Portis for five years+. It's not like we woke up last week and said Portis is done. It is what it is. The stats you point out is precisely the reason he's not as good as he used to be. Running backs, generally speaking, have a five year shelf life. And the more you pound them, the more you cut into their effectiveness later down the road.

A 1,000 yard season is hardly the metric for good backs anymore. It's probably closer to 1,300-1,400 with another couple of hundreds yards in receiving to go with it. Those are the numbers of marquee running back in the NFL. Nowadays you can throw any old Joe out there and gain 1,000 yards. It means nothing.

I don't think either team playing in last year's Super Bowl had a thousand yard rusher. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

in fact......the only backup in the league that has more yardage than him is ahmad bradshaw......every other back in front of him is the main benificiary of carries on their respective team.....and only 2 have less carries than him.....portis is an elite back in this league whether you think he is or not....i shouldnt have to explain this to redskins fans

you guys say that 1000 yards isnt a good measuring stick for running backs anymore so what is? if hes getting over 1400 yards is that enough? what is enough? only twice in his entire career has he ever failed to reach 1300 yards....one of them was a 1200 yard season and the other he only played 8 games

you guys are missing my point completely......for some reason you think he is washed up but just last season he was 4th in rushing behind only AP, michael turner, and deangello williams.....3 of the elite backs in the league right now

portis is capable of carrying your team but because you guys are losing you are failing to see his value

normally i couldnt care less if another team bashes one of their own players.....but this is completely unjustified....you guys are just looking for scapegoats but you are looking in the wrong places

landry? portis? come on....they are 2 of your better players....it shouldnt take a saints fan to point that out

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

portis is getting paid to get all the carries.....other teams split up the carries because they split up the money......portis has earned his paycheck and his carries

his numbers are not impressive? does he have to lead the league in rushing for his numbers to be impressive? does he have to break 10 tackles every play for him to be impressive? the team is terrible, not portis



in fact......the only backup in the league that has more yardage than him is ahmad bradshaw......every other back in front of him is the main benificiary of carries on their respective team.....and only 2 have less carries than him.....portis is an elite back in this league whether you think he is or not....i shouldnt have to explain this to redskins fans

you guys say that 1000 yards isnt a good measuring stick for running backs anymore so what is? if hes getting over 1400 yards is that enough? what is enough?

you guys are missing my point completely......for some reason you think he is washed up but just last season he was 4th in rushing behind only AP, michael turner, and deangello williams.....3 of the elite backs in the league right now

portis is capable of carrying your team but because you guys are losing you are failing to see his value

normally i couldnt care less if another team bashes one of their own players.....but this is completely unjustified....you guys are just looking for scapegoats but you are looking in the wrong places

landry? portis? come on....they are 2 of your better players....it shouldnt take a saints fan to point that out

I don't remember ever talking to you before today, so I don't know who you're accusing of bashing. I have my opinion and you have yours. That's fine. Go through my posts and tell me where I bashed Clinton Portis. And for those that are bashing him, who really cares. People are upset. We come here to vent. Portis is a big boy and we greatly appreciate all that he's done as a Washington Redskin.

But I find it ironic that a New Orleans Saints fan, a perennial loser with a history of fans wearing bags on their faces, calling their team the ain'ts, not one Super Bowl appearance --ever-- and an overrated Reggie Bush, would come to a Redskin board and tell us what's bashing and what's not. But whatever fries your egg, I guess.

Let me make this as plain as possible for you.

Clinton Portis is no longer an elite running back in the National Footbal League. He's not even the core of this team anymore.

You can dig as deep into the stats and spin the fan psychology here all all you want. Are there contributing factors to Portis' decline, of course there are. Skim the first three or four threads and you'll find plenty. No one here is denying that. But, in my opinion, Clinton Portis' day of carrying this offense are over. Does he have another 1,000 yard season in him, perhaps. Centerpiece of the offense, no.

[1divdoc]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Above all, the OL is holding this team back. That's been the story all year. Let's not get distracted based on one half where we ran the ball effectively.

yup... 5 first half sacks... cant all be blamed on campbell. o-line is an epic fail this season, and campbell and portis are taking heat for it (dont get me wrong though, im still not a huge JC fan)

[MTK]

Portis isn't our top player but with our OL in shambles it's tough to tell how much is on him vs. the line. Plus he's had some lingering ankle issues that have probably slowed him down.

[CantonLegend]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Portis isn't our top player but with our OL in shambles it's tough to tell how much is on him vs. the line. Plus he's had some lingering ankle issues that have probably slowed him down.

im one of the guys that believes the running game is based solely on the offensive lines ability to block......every running back in the NFL is talented but the great running backs are usually the ones with the good blockers in front.....for instance

shaun alexander
LT
Emmitt Smith
Adrian Peterson

im not trying to take anything away from them but there is a rumor going around about after RBs turn 30 they go downhill......the truth is that after a RB plays in the league for 6 to 8 years they turn 30......the team is not the same after 6 to 8 years

the offensive line is not the same after 6 to 8 years.....the coaches are usually not the same after 6 to 8 years

RBs dont automatically fall on the slippery slope.......it takes a series of events for the RB to drop off....and its usually not the RBs fault

[freddyg12]

I was about to post a thread about Betts till I saw this one. Betts, who some here say sucks, looked the same as he always has to me - quick to the hole, straight ahead runner, but sometimes lost in protection. I was always surprised when people here said he'd gotten slow. He just hasn't had many carries.

He looks better than CP, though I know the o line woke up for the 2nd half & he benefited. Every year the coaches, whether Al Saunders in the past or S. Smith this year, say in camp how good he looks & how they want to use him. Then come game time he gets in on 3rd downs + 1 or 2 carries. It's never made sense to me, he deserves more carries even when CP is healthy.

I honestly think Portis getting all the carries has something to do w/his relationship to the Danny. Otherwise, this year it just doesn't make much sense. Regardless of the poor o line, he's looked slow & indecisive.

[hail_2_da_skins]

I love what Portis has done in the past. He is not the back he used to be. It was obvious that the running game picked up when he left. Betts and Cartwright were hitting the holes at full speed, not falling down. I think Portis time in Washington is over. Redskin 2010 wish list, tackle, guard, quarterback, running back, linebacker, free safety.

[DieHardSkinsFan777]

portis still has a headache, something he has been good at bringing to this organization. i know the feeling every sunday watching this awful mess.

portis best days in dc are long gone.

betts did a fine job. i expect the same again this week against the broncos.

[skinsfan69]

CP can still ball, he just doesn't have a line in front of him. He's lost a step but can still be productive. My problem w/ him is he never practices, he talks bad about his teammates, isn't the hardest worker around and he's too close w/ the owner. To me he seems like too much of a diva to keep around. The offense needs some leadership not divas. He needs to go next year IMO.

[Dirtbag59]

While I dread another Trung Candidate/Chad Morton situation at RB, the fact of the matter is that Portis is done here. He'll have a Jamal Lewis flash in the pan somewhere else, mainly because he'll finally get motivated after being cut, but that will be his last 1,000 yard season.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

While I dread another Trung Candidate/Chad Morton situation at RB, the fact of the matter is that Portis is done here. He'll have a Jamal Lewis flash in the pan somewhere else, mainly because he'll finally get motivated after being cut, but that will be his last 1,000 yard season.

He'll have to practice if he goes somewhere else too.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

He'll have to practice if he goes somewhere else too.

Lol, had to do it.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

He'll have to practice if he goes somewhere else too.

Thats exactly why he will be out of football if/when he leaves the team. Any other team is going to require that he practices, and that will be why he will stay unsigned. His attitude, work ethic, and salary demands, will overshadow his natural ability (or at least his former natural ability).

That's why it's too hard to see where Portis is really at right now. All indications say that he is done, like Shaun Alexander, but with our team in shambles, it's hard to tell.

I do know the other backs looked much better than portis. Hit the line harder, more burst, more speed.....

[freddyg12]

Did anyone notice in that article about Betts in today's wash post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10638.htmlthat ) that S. Smith takes a veiled jab at Portis about his practice habits. Smith spoke this way when S. Lewis was brought in, he didn't directly say it but strongly implied his opinion.

Zorn last year made a comment about Portis not practicing of course. I wonder if essentially he & Smith are happy that Betts will be starting?