Portis is a BIG problem!!!

[CantonLegend]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I think if you look at a pound for pound, I'd say either Orakpo or Andre Carter. Well, I'd throw London Fletcher in there too. But right now, I'm leaning towards Orakpo as the best Redskin.

He'll also probably end up getting DROY.

really? a rookie outside LB that gets about 3 tackles per game is better than an all pro running back? nah im not eating that

london fletcher would've been a better argument but if thats the best then im completely biased towards clinton portis

i have a lot of respect for players who do their work and get very little media attention....portis is one of those guys but i guess im completely missing the point

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

really? a rookie outside LB that gets about 3 tackles per game is better than an all pro running back? nah im not eating that

london fletcher would've been a better argument but if thats the best then im completely biased towards clinton portis

i have a lot of respect for players who do their work and get very little media attention....portis is one of those guys but i guess im completely missing the point

You are completely missing the point. As much as I want to like Portis it's kinda hard to have much respect for him. Granted, he's not a Chad Johnson or T.O. or L. Johnson or any other locker room cancer; but he has had his share of situations where he causes controversy. Portis has twice had verbal/media spats with coaches (Gibbs and Zorn), he seems to have a close (or used to) relationship with Snyder and many feel that this allows him to act the way he is; he doesn't practice; he threw Sellers under the bus and demanded that he'd be benched.

Portis has been a great player and as a fan I will never forget what he has done for the team. However, he lacks the leadership and discipline to be the face of the franchise, and unfortunately he seems to be the face of the franchise.

[CantonLegend]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

You are completely missing the point. As much as I want to like Portis it's kinda hard to have much respect for him. Granted, he's not a Chad Johnson or T.O. or L. Johnson or any other locker room cancer; but he has had his share of situations where he causes controversy. Portis has twice had verbal/media spats with coaches (Gibbs and Zorn), he seems to have a close (or used to) relationship with Snyder and many feel that this allows him to act the way he is; he doesn't practice; he threw Sellers under the bus and demanded that he'd be benched.

Portis has been a great player and as a fan I will never forget what he has done for the team. However, he lacks the leadership and discipline to be the face of the franchise, and unfortunately he seems to be the face of the franchise.

fwiw....the outside world doesnt get to look at all the problems that you say portis is causing....im sure as a fan you cant help but look down on him for creating problems all by himself but look at the franchise as a whole

the entire thing is a mess.....the owner is goof....the GM is falling apart.....the head coach is getting called out and getting relieved of his duties as a head coach......remember all of these opinions are from an outsider looking in

he is doing the same thing that you guys are doing IMO......blaming everything on everybody until something is done.....its unfortunate to see such a proud franchise fall apart so quickly but change needs to happen quickly and it needs to start from the top down......the players are not as much the problem as the FO is

the one thing the organization is doing is keeping all these little outbursts in house because like i said........i had no idea about any of his actions off the field

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

fwiw....the outside world doesnt get to look at all the problems that you say portis is causing....im sure as a fan you cant help but look down on him for creating problems all by himself but look at the franchise as a whole

the entire thing is a mess.....the owner is goof....the GM is falling apart.....the head coach is getting called out and getting relieved of his duties as a head coach......remember all of these opinions are from an outsider looking in

he is doing the same thing that you guys are doing IMO......blaming everything on everybody until something is done.....its unfortunate to see such a proud franchise fall apart so quickly but change needs to happen quickly and it needs to start from the top down......the players are not as much the problem as the FO is

the one thing the organization is doing is keeping all these little outbursts in house because like i said........i had no idea about any of his actions off the field

Just to be clear, Portis is by no stretch a trouble maker, disgruntled employee, or a locker room cancer. Some of his comments and the timing of them may be questionable, but I don't think there's a Redskin or very few Redskins fans that would question his heart and motivation and commitment to the team.

I think his production on the field and where he stands with the team are two separate arguments. I personally think he's done as an athlete, but I also believe he loves being a Redskin.

But this is what you get when you're a losing team; everything is magnified. There's an old saying that winning cures all. When the Redskins were winning, Portis was pretty much the same guy you see right now. I don't think he's changed at all.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

really? a rookie outside LB that gets about 3 tackles per game is better than an all pro running back? nah im not eating that

london fletcher would've been a better argument but if thats the best then im completely biased towards clinton portis

i have a lot of respect for players who do their work and get very little media attention....portis is one of those guys but i guess im completely missing the point

And he also has, what, six sacks this year. And he constantly get's pressure on the QB. Yeah, I'm sticking with BO. Umm..Clinton Portis is hardly a pro bowl running back anymore. I bet if Portis got cut today, only a handful of teams would try to pick him up as evidence of that.

I think you could make an argument for Fletch, but I think Orakpo is having more of an impact season, where as Fletch is more consistent and steady at what he does.

[CantonLegend]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

And he also has, what, six sacks this year. And he constantly get's pressure on the QB. Yeah, I'm sticking with BO. Umm..Clinton Portis is hardly a pro bowl running back anymore. I bet if Portis got cut today, only a handful of teams would try to pick him up as evidence of that.

I think you could make an argument for Fletch, but I think Orakpo is having more of an impact season, where as Fletch is more consistent and steady at what he does.

5.5 sacks on the year with 2 of them coming against atlanta

im not going to discount what orakpo has done but 5.5 sacks isnt that impressive around the league.......there are 10 players around the league with more sacks and 3 tied with 5.5

clinton portis is currently 14th in rushing in the league and considering he got injured against the falcons and didnt get to increase his total, id say he is doing a fine job

portis was a pro bowler last season......he was an all pro last season......he has only lost a step IMO because the franchise itself has lost a step

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

5.5 sacks on the year with 2 of them coming against atlanta

im not going to discount what orakpo has done but 5.5 sacks isnt that impressive around the league.......there are 10 players around the league with more sacks and 3 tied with 5.5

clinton portis is currently 14th in rushing in the league and considering he got injured against the falcons and didnt get to increase his total, id say he is doing a fine job

portis was a pro bowler last season......he was an all pro last season......he has only lost a step IMO because the franchise itself has lost a step

Look, I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here. Are you thinking about putting Portis on your fantasy team or something? Clinton could break out next week for a buck fifty and I'd feel the same. It's just plain old wear and tear. He's knees are wearing out, his ankles are bothering him, and as a consequence he's lost a step or two. He ain't what he used to be and he's not by a long shot the best Redskin. Period. But that's just my opinion.

Even if ends up with a thousand yards this year, so what?

[CantonLegend]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Look, I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here. Are you thinking about putting Portis on your fantasy team or something? Clinton could break out next week for a buck fifty and I'd feel the same. It's just plain old wear and tear. He's knees are wearing out, his ankles are bothering him, and as a consequence he's lost a step or two. He ain't what he used to be and he's not by a long shot the best Redskin. Period. But that's just my opinion.

Even if ends up with a thousand yards this year, so what?

im not trying to get at anything other than saying you guys are jumping the guns on arguably your best player

if portis gets over 1000 yards it proves he hasnt lost his ability to run the ball....it proves that even tho you're not a fan, that the hate on him is pretty much unjustified.......there are backs all around the league that would kill for a 1000 yard season

portis has rushed for over 1000 yards in 6 of his 7.5 seasons....im not sure why you dont think hes lost a step when last season he was only 13 yards short of having his 4th 1500 yard season in 7 seasons last year

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

im not trying to get at anything other than saying you guys are jumping the guns on arguably your best player

if portis gets over 1000 yards it proves he hasnt lost his ability to run the ball....it proves that even tho you're not a fan, that the hate on him is pretty much unjustified.......there are backs all around the league that would kill for a 1000 yard season

portis has rushed for over 1000 yards in 6 of his 7.5 seasons....im not sure why you dont think hes lost a step when last season he was only 13 yards short of having his 4th 1500 yard season in 7 seasons last year

Jumping the gun? Hating on Portis? Dude, what are you talking about? We've been watching Portis for five years+. It's not like we woke up last week and said Portis is done. It is what it is. The stats you point out is precisely the reason he's not as good as he used to be. Running backs, generally speaking, have a five year shelf life. And the more you pound them, the more you cut into their effectiveness later down the road.

A 1,000 yard season is hardly the metric for good backs anymore. It's probably closer to 1,300-1,400 with another couple of hundreds yards in receiving to go with it. Those are the numbers of marquee running back in the NFL. Nowadays you can throw any old Joe out there and gain 1,000 yards. It means nothing.

I don't think either team playing in last year's Super Bowl had a thousand yard rusher. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

5.5 sacks on the year with 2 of them coming against atlanta

im not going to discount what orakpo has done but 5.5 sacks isnt that impressive around the league.......there are 10 players around the league with more sacks and 3 tied with 5.5

clinton portis is currently 14th in rushing in the league and considering he got injured against the falcons and didnt get to increase his total, id say he is doing a fine job

portis was a pro bowler last season......he was an all pro last season......he has only lost a step IMO because the franchise itself has lost a step

I would call leading all rookies in sacks impressive.

[CantonLegend]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I would call leading all rookies in sacks impressive.

sure.....defensive rookie of the year? probably not because he only has 26 tackles on the season

he has shawn merrimanitis.......good pass rusher, not good at much else....at least statistically thats what he looks like

brian cushing has 78 tackles for houston

actually......london fletcher has 75 tackles including a sack

andre carter has 1 sack more than orakpo and 10 more tackles