Portis is a BIG problem!!!

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

clinton portis has gone over 1000 yards the past 2 seasons and has nearly 500 yards this season already behind the offensive line that is giving jason campbell fits

maybe im missing the big picture as an outsider but it seems like this is a case of disappointed fans looking for a person to blame the season on

i know a couple of you guys said he isnt the best player on the team, so i was wondering who you guys thought is the best player?

Portis is one of the few backs that gets almost ALL of his team's carries. Most teams are smart enough to platoon their RBs, thus utilizing all of their weapons, keeping their personnel fresh all season and giving opposing Defenses more to prepare for. There are several teams with 2 RBs better than Portis.

Portis' numbers are not impressive at all, especially considering how much he gets paid. Running Back is one of the most irrelevant positions in football, yet the Skins highest paid player on Offense is a Running Back. No wonder there's no depth across the O line. Cheap, young and hungry is what your RB should be.

[CantonLegend]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Portis is one of the few backs that gets almost ALL of his team's carries. Most teams are smart enough to platoon their RBs, thus utilizing all of their weapons, keeping their personnel fresh all season and giving opposing Defenses more to prepare for. There are several teams with 2 RBs better than Portis.

Portis' numbers are not impressive at all, especially considering how much he gets paid. Running Back is one of the most irrelevant positions in football, yet the Skins highest paid player on Offense is a Running Back. No wonder there's no depth across the O line. Cheap, young and hungry is what your RB should be.

portis is getting paid to get all the carries.....other teams split up the carries because they split up the money......portis has earned his paycheck and his carries

his numbers are not impressive? does he have to lead the league in rushing for his numbers to be impressive? does he have to break 10 tackles every play for him to be impressive? the team is terrible, not portis

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Jumping the gun? Hating on Portis? Dude, what are you talking about? We've been watching Portis for five years+. It's not like we woke up last week and said Portis is done. It is what it is. The stats you point out is precisely the reason he's not as good as he used to be. Running backs, generally speaking, have a five year shelf life. And the more you pound them, the more you cut into their effectiveness later down the road.

A 1,000 yard season is hardly the metric for good backs anymore. It's probably closer to 1,300-1,400 with another couple of hundreds yards in receiving to go with it. Those are the numbers of marquee running back in the NFL. Nowadays you can throw any old Joe out there and gain 1,000 yards. It means nothing.

I don't think either team playing in last year's Super Bowl had a thousand yard rusher. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

in fact......the only backup in the league that has more yardage than him is ahmad bradshaw......every other back in front of him is the main benificiary of carries on their respective team.....and only 2 have less carries than him.....portis is an elite back in this league whether you think he is or not....i shouldnt have to explain this to redskins fans

you guys say that 1000 yards isnt a good measuring stick for running backs anymore so what is? if hes getting over 1400 yards is that enough? what is enough? only twice in his entire career has he ever failed to reach 1300 yards....one of them was a 1200 yard season and the other he only played 8 games

you guys are missing my point completely......for some reason you think he is washed up but just last season he was 4th in rushing behind only AP, michael turner, and deangello williams.....3 of the elite backs in the league right now

portis is capable of carrying your team but because you guys are losing you are failing to see his value

normally i couldnt care less if another team bashes one of their own players.....but this is completely unjustified....you guys are just looking for scapegoats but you are looking in the wrong places

landry? portis? come on....they are 2 of your better players....it shouldnt take a saints fan to point that out

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

portis is getting paid to get all the carries.....other teams split up the carries because they split up the money......portis has earned his paycheck and his carries

his numbers are not impressive? does he have to lead the league in rushing for his numbers to be impressive? does he have to break 10 tackles every play for him to be impressive? the team is terrible, not portis



in fact......the only backup in the league that has more yardage than him is ahmad bradshaw......every other back in front of him is the main benificiary of carries on their respective team.....and only 2 have less carries than him.....portis is an elite back in this league whether you think he is or not....i shouldnt have to explain this to redskins fans

you guys say that 1000 yards isnt a good measuring stick for running backs anymore so what is? if hes getting over 1400 yards is that enough? what is enough?

you guys are missing my point completely......for some reason you think he is washed up but just last season he was 4th in rushing behind only AP, michael turner, and deangello williams.....3 of the elite backs in the league right now

portis is capable of carrying your team but because you guys are losing you are failing to see his value

normally i couldnt care less if another team bashes one of their own players.....but this is completely unjustified....you guys are just looking for scapegoats but you are looking in the wrong places

landry? portis? come on....they are 2 of your better players....it shouldnt take a saints fan to point that out

I don't remember ever talking to you before today, so I don't know who you're accusing of bashing. I have my opinion and you have yours. That's fine. Go through my posts and tell me where I bashed Clinton Portis. And for those that are bashing him, who really cares. People are upset. We come here to vent. Portis is a big boy and we greatly appreciate all that he's done as a Washington Redskin.

But I find it ironic that a New Orleans Saints fan, a perennial loser with a history of fans wearing bags on their faces, calling their team the ain'ts, not one Super Bowl appearance --ever-- and an overrated Reggie Bush, would come to a Redskin board and tell us what's bashing and what's not. But whatever fries your egg, I guess.

Let me make this as plain as possible for you.

Clinton Portis is no longer an elite running back in the National Footbal League. He's not even the core of this team anymore.

You can dig as deep into the stats and spin the fan psychology here all all you want. Are there contributing factors to Portis' decline, of course there are. Skim the first three or four threads and you'll find plenty. No one here is denying that. But, in my opinion, Clinton Portis' day of carrying this offense are over. Does he have another 1,000 yard season in him, perhaps. Centerpiece of the offense, no.

[CantonLegend]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I don't remember ever talking to you before today, so I don't know who you're accusing of bashing. I have my opinion and you have yours. That's fine. Go through my posts and tell me where I bashed Clinton Portis. And for those that are bashing him, who really cares. People are upset. We come here to vent. Portis is a big boy and we greatly appreciate all that he's done as a Washington Redskin.

i wasnt responding to just you.....i was making a note to everyone who was bashing portis

But I find it ironic that a New Orleans Saints fan, a perennial loser with a history of fans wearing bags on their faces, calling their team the ain'ts, not one Super Bowl appearance --ever-- and an overrated Reggie Bush, would come to a Redskin board and tell us what's bashing and what's not. But whatever fries your egg, I guess.

lol.....first of all....i didnt get a chance to live through the bag days but ive done my share of bashing players on my favorite teams just like the rest of you....im here because i was invited by a nice poster who stumbled on to my home site blackandgold.com last season.....i cant recall his username because the site went down and we lost all of our private and public messages.....i thought i would be able to offer an outsiders view of things for everyone and maybe put my 2 cents in where i could

i didnt mean to offend you......sorry for your team stinking this season

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

i wasnt responding to just you.....i was making a note to everyone who was bashing portis



lol.....first of all....i didnt get a chance to live through the bag days but ive done my share of bashing players on my favorite teams just like the rest of you....im here because i was invited by a nice poster who stumbled on to my home site blackandgold.com last season.....i cant recall his username because the site went down and we lost all of our private and public messages.....i thought i would be able to offer an outsiders view of things for everyone and maybe put my 2 cents in where i could

i didnt mean to offend you......sorry for your team stinking this season

No worries. We're a little sensitive around here these days.

I still think we're going to whoop that ass when we play the Saints.

[Zerohero]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

i thought i would be able to offer an outsiders view of things for everyone and maybe put my 2 cents in where i could

i didnt mean to offend you......sorry for your team stinking this season

Good job at failing from your outside view then. Like others have said Portis is not even close to the player he was, even last year it was so obvious his stock was falling. You can't just look at stats, gotta watch the game.

Every game was carbon copy. Big hole, decent run. Small hole, 2 yards. No hole, no gain. Average two minor injuries a game, not enough to miss games but just enough to ineffective the majority of the time. Throw in your costly gamebreaking fumble about every other game and you have Portis the last two years.

Yeah and dont throw in a "Oh sorry your team sucks right now". You will be reminded of your franchise's history

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Zerohero

Good job at failing from your outside view then. Like others have said Portis is not even close to the player he was, even last year it was so obvious his stock was falling. You can't just look at stats, gotta watch the game.

Every game was carbon copy. Big hole, decent run. Small hole, 2 yards. No hole, no gain. Average two minor injuries a game, not enough to miss games but just enough to ineffective the majority of the time. Throw in your costly gamebreaking fumble about every other game and you have Portis the last two years.

Yeah and dont throw in a "Oh sorry your team sucks right now". You will be reminded of your franchise's history

He's already been reminded

[CantonLegend]

Originally Posted by Zerohero

Good job at failing from your outside view then. Like others have said Portis is not even close to the player he was, even last year it was so obvious his stock was falling. You can't just look at stats, gotta watch the game.

Every game was carbon copy. Big hole, decent run. Small hole, 2 yards. No hole, no gain. Average two minor injuries a game, not enough to miss games but just enough to ineffective the majority of the time. Throw in your costly gamebreaking fumble about every other game and you have Portis the last two years.

Yeah and dont throw in a "Oh sorry your team sucks right now". You will be reminded of your franchise's history

i was refraining from trash talking because i have a lot of respect for the redskins fans and team.....however....while im being called out as a saints fan i might as well get this off my chest

history is history and you can chant all you want about how good your redskins were in the past.....but guess what.....the past doesnt do any good this year......your boys are 2-6 and my boys are 8-0 with the best offense and best scoring defense in the league

you can tell me about the past all you want but facts are facts and your team is hopeless this season while mine is running this league like a treadmill

the combined record of your opponents is 22-43 while ours is 29-36

not only have we won more games, our opponents are better.......and the 2 teams you beat by a combined score of 5 points? have a combined record of 2-14.....2 of the worst teams in the league......but you also lost to 2 of the 1-7 teams

i can see ive worn out my welcome here and i wish the best of luck to you guys.....but you are completely lost bro.....its too bad you've already played all the bad teams except cleveland because you wont win another game this year

[Zerohero]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

i was refraining from trash talking because i have a lot of respect for the redskins fans and team.....however....while im being called out as a saints fan i might as well get this off my chest

history is history and you can chant all you want about how good your redskins were in the past.....but guess what.....the past doesnt do any good this year......your boys are 2-6 and my boys are 8-0 with the best offense and best scoring defense in the league

you can tell me about the past all you want but facts are facts and your team is hopeless this season while mine is running this league like a treadmill

the combined record of your opponents is 22-43 while ours is 29-36

not only have we won more games, our opponents are better.......and the 2 teams you beat by a combined score of 5 points? have a combined record of 2-14.....2 of the worst teams in the league......but you also lost to 2 of the 1-7 teams

i can see ive worn out my welcome here and i wish the best of luck to you guys.....but you are completely lost bro.....its too bad you've already played all the bad teams except cleveland because you wont win another game this year

Good job at proving our point, your just on here to brag. I actually like the Saints and how they are run lately. Come back when yall have won 3 superbowls, then you can start talking.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

i was refraining from trash talking because i have a lot of respect for the redskins fans and team.....however....while im being called out as a saints fan i might as well get this off my chest

history is history and you can chant all you want about how good your redskins were in the past.....but guess what.....the past doesnt do any good this year......your boys are 2-6 and my boys are 8-0 with the best offense and best scoring defense in the league

you can tell me about the past all you want but facts are facts and your team is hopeless this season while mine is running this league like a treadmill

the combined record of your opponents is 22-43 while ours is 29-36

not only have we won more games, our opponents are better.......and the 2 teams you beat by a combined score of 5 points? have a combined record of 2-14.....2 of the worst teams in the league......but you also lost to 2 of the 1-7 teams

i can see ive worn out my welcome here and i wish the best of luck to you guys.....but you are completely lost bro.....its too bad you've already played all the bad teams except cleveland because you wont win another game this year

Well on behalf of Redskins nation we're so thrilled that you came to a Redskins forum to get "it" off your chest. Where next week, San Francisco forum? You know they were once good too.

While you're boasting about your great record, I would take caution and look at the Patriots undefeated season, which netted them an embarrassing lost to the New York Giants in the Super Bowl. The San Diego Chargers also come to mind, who went 13-3 a couple of seasons ago, and got punched in the mouth during the playoffs. LT hasn't been the same since.

The list is long with teams that are red hot during the season and flop during the playoffs. I happen to think the Vikings are the best team in the NFC right now, but we'll see what happens if/when you guys meet them in the playoffs. I think either team will represent well in the Super Bowl.

That being said, you're welcome to come here and share, talk trash, or whatever. Seems like fans from across the league come here to offer their condolences once in a while.