Portis is a BIG problem!!!

[CantonLegend]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

The oline did play well, but I don't think that was the difference...we had a LT who hadn't played in years and a new guard going against a very good defense. The difference was Ladell. He got the yards CP doesn't get because of his lack of vision. Betts is the difference (and Rock).

the offensive line is always the reason for a good running game......ALWAYS.....

portis doesnt get the help from the offensive line that betts got.....he doesnt get the same defensive looks when he is in the game

some of you guys are no better than your teams owner.....you are completely blinded by the fact that your team is struggling this year.....clinton portis is easily your best player.....easily a top 5 running back in the league on a bottom 5 team in the league......you guys make me laugh

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

the offensive line is always the reason for a good running game......ALWAYS.....

portis doesnt get the help from the offensive line that betts got.....he doesnt get the same defensive looks when he is in the game

some of you guys are no better than your teams owner.....you are completely blinded by the fact that your team is struggling this year.....clinton portis is easily your best player.....easily a top 5 running back in the league on a bottom 5 team in the league......you guys make me laugh

1) Actually Barry Sanders, for just one example, had some fine years running behind a shaky o-line. While good o-line play is quite helpful for a running game, your "always" statement is simply not true.

2) as for your Portis point, you continue to completely ignore all evidence that contradicts your assertion. Such unintelligent thinking makes me laugh...

[CantonLegend]

Originally Posted by Lotus

1) Actually Barry Sanders, for just one example, had some fine years running behind a shaky o-line. While good o-line play is quite helpful for a running game, your "always" statement is simply not true.

2) as for your Portis point, you continue to completely ignore all evidence that contradicts your assertion. Such unintelligent thinking makes me laugh...

lol name one more......barry sanders is a hall of fame back for a reason....you are completely ignoring my point......you dont have a barry sanders type back on your team and there will likely never be another one like him

there is always an exception to the rule but the rule is a rule for a reason.....portis is still a top 5 back despite being injured and playing behind a terrible line, and terrible team

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

lol name one more......barry sanders is a hall of fame back for a reason....you are completely ignoring my point......you dont have a barry sanders type back on your team and there will likely never be another one like him

there is always an exception to the rule but the rule is a rule for a reason.....portis is still a top 5 back despite being injured and playing behind a terrible line, and terrible team

You said previously, "the offensive line is always the reason for a good running game......ALWAYS....."

I pointed out that you were wrong, giving the example of Barry Sanders. There are many more examples: OJ Simpson did not always have the Electric Company, Eric Dickerson ran behind some shaky lines, for a few years Emmitt Smith did not have the best line but still put up yards...I can keep going as there are many more examples.

The problem is not that I ignored you point. The problem is that your point was WRONG but, yet again, you are not man enough to admit it.

Same thing with your point about Portis. You keep citing 2008 although now it is 2009. Once again, your argument is flawed, yet you are not man enough to admit it.

[CantonLegend]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You said previously, "the offensive line is always the reason for a good running game......ALWAYS....."

I pointed out that you were wrong, giving the example of Barry Sanders. There are many more examples: OJ Simpson did not always have the Electric Company, Eric Dickerson ran behind some shaky lines, for a few years Emmitt Smith did not have the best line but still put up yards...I can keep going as there are many more examples.

because they had good offensive lines......players like barry sanders dont come around all the time.....all of the other players you mentioned played on good teams with good offensive lines regardless of whatever garbage you think you pointed out.....

is LT a hall of famer without his offensive line and fullback? is emmit smith the all time leading rusher without he cowboys offensive line? NO.....they are not

for some reason you think you are right about this but you arent....its so blatantly obvious that you know nothin about the offensive line and its making the rest of the redskins fans look bad

Same thing with your point about Portis. You keep citing 2008 although now it is 2009. Once again, your argument is flawed, yet you are not man enough to admit it.

i keep citing last season because people continue to claim that he has been struggling for more than just this season.....read the thread dude

the fact is that portis is struggling because he is hurt and because the team is bad......not because he is bad

im telling you that you are blinded by the fact that your team is losing

but your too blind to see that as well

open your eyes..portis is not the problem......so what if he doesnt practice.....thats not a bad thing, especially if he can still produce on sunday.....its a bad thing if he doesnt practice and stinks on sundays.....but he doesnt

why would you want your best running back and one of the highest paid players on the team to get hurt doing something as silly as running drills in practice when the only thing that matters is sundays?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

because they had good offensive lines......players like barry sanders dont come around all the time.....all of the other players you mentioned played on good teams with good offensive lines regardless of whatever garbage you think you pointed out.....

is LT a hall of famer without his offensive line and fullback? is emmit smith the all time leading rusher without he cowboys offensive line? NO.....they are not

for some reason you think you are right about this but you arent....its so blatantly obvious that you know nothin about the offensive line and its making the rest of the redskins fans look bad



i keep citing last season because people continue to claim that he has been struggling for more than just this season.....read the thread dude

the fact is that portis is struggling because he is hurt and because the team is bad......not because he is bad

im telling you that you are blinded by the fact that your team is losing

but your too blind to see that as well

open your eyes..portis is not the problem......so what if he doesnt practice.....thats not a bad thing, especially if he can still produce on sunday.....its a bad thing if he doesnt practice and stinks on sundays.....but he doesnt

why would you want your best running back and one of the highest paid players on the team to get hurt doing something as silly as running drills in practice when the only thing that matters is sundays?

1) you completely failed to appreciate the fact that the offensive lines for those players CHANGED - some years they had good lines, some years they did not. Some years Emmitt Smith ran behind mediocre offensive lines and he still got the job done.

What this means is that your original claim that the running game ALWAYS hinges ONLY on the offensive line was simplistic and mistaken. As usual, you see reality in terms of black-and-white (sometimes literally), when in fact reality consists of shades of gray.

2) what you fail to appreciate about Portis is that he has not brought it on Sundays this year. Saying that only Sundays matter just highlights Portis' deficiencies this year.

As always, you are too small of a person to admit when you are wrong.

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[CantonLegend]

Originally Posted by Lotus

1) you completely failed to appreciate the fact that the offensive lines for those players CHANGED - some years they had good lines, some years they did not. Some years Emmitt Smith ran behind mediocre offensive lines and he still got the job done.

lmao......emmitt played for the cowboys from 1990 to 2002.....every single one of those teams was a competitor....they won the division 6 of his 13 seasons there....they were a playoff team 8 of those years and they won the super bowl 3 times in that span

the cowboys were good because of their offensive line and they were consistant because of their offensive line......sure it changed......but not significantly enough to downgrade the run game....it was continuity that created the cowboys dynasty......

people like you probably think it was emmitt smith and troy aikman that made those cowboys teams great.....lol.....get real......they were both very average players on a well built team with a stellar offensive line......go look at their stats.....not one season stands out as exceptional but they did it over a long period of time because they had the offensive line in front of them to give them time and make big holes

What this means is that your original claim that the running game ALWAYS hinges ONLY on the offensive line was simplistic and mistaken. As usual, you see reality in terms of black-and-white (sometimes literally), when in fact reality consists of shades of gray.

lol.....cant handle the truth? life is simple brother....either you get it or you dont.....whether you are black or white or shades of gray

2) what you fail to appreciate about Portis is that he has not brought it on Sundays this year. Saying that only Sundays matter just highlights Portis' deficiencies this year.

blah blah blah.....the whole team stinks on sundays......not just portis.....and the rest of the team practices all week? whats their excuse?

and i wont take a personal shot at you like you did me.....good luck trying to prove me wrong again tho.....and black people are faster

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

.portis is still a top 5 back despite being injured and playing behind a terrible line, and terrible team

Now who sounds like our owner?

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Now who sounds like our owner?

Freeze!!! Put the crack pipe down! Back away from the monitor slowly.......7:38AM? and I see you still on your all night crack binge. SMH

[maroonandblack30]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

the offensive line is always the reason for a good running game......ALWAYS.....

portis doesnt get the help from the offensive line that betts got.....he doesnt get the same defensive looks when he is in the game

some of you guys are no better than your teams owner.....you are completely blinded by the fact that your team is struggling this year.....clinton portis is easily your best player.....easily a top 5 running back in the league on a bottom 5 team in the league......you guys make me laugh

Im sorry you haven't had a TV and have been unable to watch NFL football for the past 2 years...that must suck.

Top 5 back? uhhh not even close.

AP, Jones-Drew, Chris Johnson, Cedric Benson, Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Frank Gore, Westbrook, Stephen Jackson.....ALL out class CP.

[CantonLegend]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

Im sorry you haven't had a TV and have been unable to watch NFL football for the past 2 years...that must suck.

Top 5 back? uhhh not even close.

AP, Jones-Drew, Chris Johnson, Cedric Benson, Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Frank Gore, Westbrook, Stephen Jackson.....ALL out class CP.

sorry.....i forgot that clinton portis was an all pro and made the pro bowl last season and had the 4th most rushing yards in the league

its a shame that you guys bash your own player this bad considering he is easily the best player on your team

he doesnt practice all week because he doesnt have to.....practicing gets you reps......obviously his numbers show he doesnt have to get reps during practice to be successful

you guys are looking at a 1 game sample size to judge whether betts is the better running back.....truth is that portis is paid like a #1 because he is a #1 and doesnt have help from anyone else on the team

betts has had 1 1000 yard season and that was when portis got hurt in 2006

portis consistantly goes over 1400 yards on the season.....it looks like he wont go over that this year but your team also wont go anywhere this year.....when portis carries the team you guys do well.......when you get cocky and think its more about the team than him, you guys go 3-6

[2BIG2BSKINNY]

CantonLegend you can choose to follow the same path even though you know that path gets you no where! Or you can go a different route and work harder to try and get where you want to go!!!

Betts is not an all pro all of a sudden...He will do in this offense as we need to stop relying on one player and everyone must contribute!!!

[maroonandblack30]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

sorry.....i forgot that clinton portis was an all pro and made the pro bowl last season and had the 4th most rushing yards in the league

its a shame that you guys bash your own player this bad considering he is easily the best player on your team

he doesnt practice all week because he doesnt have to.....practicing gets you reps......obviously his numbers show he doesnt have to get reps during practice to be successful

you guys are looking at a 1 game sample size to judge whether betts is the better running back.....truth is that portis is paid like a #1 because he is a #1 and doesnt have help from anyone else on the team

betts has had 1 1000 yard season and that was when portis got hurt in 2006

portis consistantly goes over 1400 yards on the season.....it looks like he wont go over that this year but your team also wont go anywhere this year.....when portis carries the team you guys do well.......when you get cocky and think its more about the team than him, you guys go 3-6

Seriously, have you watched one Redskins game this year?

As far as practice goes..... I'll just agree with what BMitch said in regards to practice.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

sorry.....i forgot that clinton portis was an all pro and made the pro bowl last season and had the 4th most rushing yards in the league

its a shame that you guys bash your own player this bad considering he is easily the best player on your team

he doesnt practice all week because he doesnt have to.....practicing gets you reps......obviously his numbers show he doesnt have to get reps during practice to be successful

you guys are looking at a 1 game sample size to judge whether betts is the better running back.....truth is that portis is paid like a #1 because he is a #1 and doesnt have help from anyone else on the team

betts has had 1 1000 yard season and that was when portis got hurt in 2006

portis consistantly goes over 1400 yards on the season.....it looks like he wont go over that this year but your team also wont go anywhere this year.....when portis carries the team you guys do well.......when you get cocky and think its more about the team than him, you guys go 3-6

Its funny how fans like this from another team which finally is playing great football think now they can come tell us what we are doing wrong. Oh, by the way Saints will fall apart again this year so ride that train while you can.