Campbell's numbers dont lie

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Buster

I don't get people's hate for him. I still hear people on here stating they'd still rather have Cutler or Sanchez, which amazes me. Campbell is performing better with less to work with and he still gets torn down. If you didn't notice, he's the only of the 3 QBs who played a good game this week and also the only one of the three whose team won!

This nonstop hatred for him is what keeps me up for tracking this all year long. He could throw 4 TDs and people would still manufacture excuses as to why he's not to be given credit and why he should be benched for the elderly Todd Collins or the inexperienced QB on IR named Colt Brennan.

Also, I don't get why people are shocked I'm posting this for another week. I have stated EVERY week that I'm doing this stat tracking and analysis all season long and have been supported and thanked by several members, yet every week, the response it "WHY ARE YOU STILL DOING THIS!?

I think the smart fans don't hate the guy. How can you? He's the type of guy you want to root for and do well. He's not a diva ass punk like CP or Hall. He's nothing but a high character stand up guy. But he's just not a legit NFL starter. He missed 3 TD's yesterday w/ inaccurate throws. I know even the best guys miss stuff but the best guys make more than they miss. W/ JC it's the opposite, he misses more than he makes.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think the smart fans don't hate the guy. How can you? He's the type of guy you want to root for and do well. He's not a diva ass punk like CP or Hall. He's nothing but a high character stand up guy. But he's just not a legit NFL starter. He missed 3 TD's yesterday w/ inaccurate throws. I know even the best guys miss stuff but the best guys make more than they miss. W/ JC it's the opposite, he misses more than he makes.

Who's saying he is though?

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Who's saying he is though?

I actually think if we re-vamp the line, he COULD be. It's still a wait-and-see about the remainder of the season, but of course, the main point of me tracking the stats is to prove that Cutler and Sanchez were not the answers as I had maintained in the offseason.

What COULD be done is if we can land Colt McCoy AND STILL STRENGTHEN THE LINE, we could let JC start next season with the new line and see if he's up to it, because I do see some potential in him. If he falters, plug in whichever of the two "Colt"s that landed the backup job out of camp. Todd Collins needs to be sent walking.

If we can't bolster the line AND get a new QB at the same time this offseason/draft, we need to make the line the top priority.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Buster

I actually think if we re-vamp the line, he COULD be. It's still a wait-and-see about the remainder of the season, but of course, the main point of me tracking the stats is to prove that Cutler and Sanchez were not the answers as I had maintained in the offseason.

What COULD be done is if we can land Colt McCoy AND STILL STRENGTHEN THE LINE, we could let JC start next season with the new line and see if he's up to it, because I do see some potential in him. If he falters, plug in whichever of the two "Colt"s that landed the backup job out of camp. Todd Collins needs to be sent walking.

If we can't bolster the line AND get a new QB at the same time this offseason/draft, we need to make the line the top priority.

I think we're beyond wait and see....there's going to be a new coaching regime next year and at best JC will be our back up. Once again, I do believe right now he gives us the best chance to win (well it's more like the lesser of two evils), but we need a QB of the future and he's not going to be it.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Who's saying he is though?

Before the season about 80% of the ppl in here. just sayin.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Before the season about 80% of the ppl in here. just sayin.

Yes, but we're talking about right now...you Campbell criticizers act like we're saying that right now...and I have yet to see someone say that Campbell is an NFL caliber starter or that he's the QB of the future or anything we used to say before.

I actually find it interesting that Campbell statistically is not doing too bad, yet we know what his play looks on the field. That being said, I agree with Paintrain, right now he gives us the best chance to win (which is a sad indictment of our situation at the QB position). This by no means is saying that he should come back next year...he won't (as I said at best a 2nd stringer).

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Yes, but we're talking about right now...you Campbell criticizers act like we're saying that right now...and I have yet to see someone say that Campbell is an NFL caliber starter or that he's the QB of the future or anything we used to say before.

I actually find it interesting that Campbell statistically is not doing too bad, yet we know what his play looks on the field. That being said, I agree with Paintrain, right now he gives us the best chance to win (which is a sad indictment of our situation at the QB position). This by no means is saying that he should come back next year...he won't (as I said at best a 2nd stringer).

I think Ciollins would do better in there if the line can play at the level it did yesterday. Collins probably hits Moss, he hits Thomas and no way does he miss an uncoverd Yoder.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think Ciollins would do better in there if the line can play at the level it did yesterday. Collins probably hits Moss, he hits Thomas and no way does he miss an uncoverd Yoder.

Still neither is a long term solution, so we have to deal with these two evils until the end of the season. While he didn't play well, JC did enough to win the game...or to not lose it.

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I agree that Collins would probably give us a better chance to win now, but honestly, whats the point? The more campbell plays, the better chance we have that he'll improve enough to give him some trade value in the offseason.

Exactly, I don't understand why people get their panties in bunch.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Before the season about 80% of the ppl in here. just sayin.

I've been one of Campbell's more steadfast supporters around these parts. Recently I've said that I think he can still be an effective game manager and starting QB in the league, but it probably isn't going to happen for him here.

You can see by his numbers that he's an average NFL QB. He's not Jamarcus Russell or Derek Anderson and he's not Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. He's a guy who won't kill you with mistakes and also not dazzle you with amazing plays.

If you've got a team that plays smart football, runs well, protects well and needs 2-3 plays from your QB per game, he can be your guy. If you've got a team that struggles to do the little things, can't always move the ball and needs the QB to create plays offensively, he's probably the wrong fit. Right now, we're that second type of team so he's not a good fit for us.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I've been one of Campbell's more steadfast supporters around these parts. Recently I've said that I think he can still be an effective game manager and starting QB in the league, but it probably isn't going to happen for him here.

You can see by his numbers that he's an average NFL QB. He's not Jamarcus Russell or Derek Anderson and he's not Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. He's a guy who won't kill you with mistakes and also not dazzle you with amazing plays.

If you've got a team that plays smart football, runs well, protects well and needs 2-3 plays from your QB per game, he can be your guy. If you've got a team that struggles to do the little things, can't always move the ball and needs the QB to create plays offensively, he's probably the wrong fit. Right now, we're that second type of team so he's not a good fit for us.

Name one team like that these days,gone are the days where you could run the ball, play defense and win titles. Even Minn who has a good defense and a great back in AP needs a playmaker at the QB position to win games. The Titans last yr had a good defense and a great backfield and they lost their first playoff game. These days it takes a playmaking QB to win.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Name one team like that these days,gone are the days where you could run the ball, play defense and win titles. Even Minn who has a good defense and a great back in AP needs a playmaker at the QB position to win games. The Titans last yr had a good defense and a great backfield and they lost their first playoff game. These days it takes a playmaking QB to win.

I'd say that every team that wins the championship can run and play good defense. A lot of them can pass as well.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'd say that every team that wins the championship can run and play good defense. A lot of them can pass as well.

To win a title you have to have a playmaker at the QB spot,not a manager who can make a play here and there. When was the last time a team with a good running game and a avg QB won the SB? And even if you throw out the names Dilfer and Johnson you have to point out the fact that they had great defenses,the type of defenses that dont come along very often that can take over games. it may be another 4+ yrs before you see a defense like those that carry a team to the title but in that time you will see many teams win because of the man throwing the ball.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I've been one of Campbell's more steadfast supporters around these parts. Recently I've said that I think he can still be an effective game manager and starting QB in the league, but it probably isn't going to happen for him here.

You can see by his numbers that he's an average NFL QB. He's not Jamarcus Russell or Derek Anderson and he's not Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. He's a guy who won't kill you with mistakes and also not dazzle you with amazing plays.

If you've got a team that plays smart football, runs well, protects well and needs 2-3 plays from your QB per game, he can be your guy. If you've got a team that struggles to do the little things, can't always move the ball and needs the QB to create plays offensively, he's probably the wrong fit. Right now, we're that second type of team so he's not a good fit for us.

In other words, if everything around him is perfect, he can be a good quarterback. I don't think you can point to any stretch of Jason Campbell's career and pick out "2-3 plays" over multiple games that put us over the edge. The most recent one that stands out is the New Orleans game last year.

You might get 8, 9, maybe 10 wins that way, but the league's champions have QBs that can make big plays on a consistent basis. If you go up against a powerhouse team like the Colts, Pats, Saints, or Steelers, on their field or in the playoffs, you're going to need more than just a game managing QB who doesn't throw picks. In that sense, it's my contention that Jason Campbell won't be the quarterback of a championship team no matter where he plays.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

In other words, if everything around him is perfect, he can be a good quarterback. I don't think you can point to any stretch of Jason Campbell's career and pick out "2-3 plays" over multiple games that put us over the edge. The most recent one that stands out is the New Orleans game last year.

You might get 8, 9, maybe 10 wins that way, but the league's champions have QBs that can make big plays on a consistent basis. If you go up against a powerhouse team like the Colts, Pats, Saints, or Steelers, on their field or in the playoffs, you're going to need more than just a game managing QB who doesn't throw picks. In that sense, it's my contention that Jason Campbell won't be the quarterback of a championship team no matter where he plays.

I think there's a medium between having league worst protection and receiving, like we currently have, and having everything around him be perfect.

Right now, we have a non-descript figurehead QB. Under the current circumstance, you could replace Campbell with Garcia or Byron Leftwich, and he would just be known as "Washington QB" and the production would be exactly the same. If you improved the units around him to league average, you'd probably have the Campbell of the first half of last year. If you add a great defense to that, then you have a super bowl contender.

Jason Campbell is probably not the type of player who gets better by putting the ball in his hands 50 times a game like Brady or Brees. If he had better ball-securing fundamentals, then maybe. If you put a legitimately great receiver and OL in front of him, you'd probably have something that looks like Steve McNair. Otherwise, you're always going to have to take the good with the bad.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think there's a medium between having league worst protection and receiving, like we currently have, and having everything around him be perfect.

Right now, we have a non-descript figurehead QB. Under the current circumstance, you could replace Campbell with Garcia or Byron Leftwich, and he would just be known as "Washington QB" and the production would be exactly the same. If you improved the units around him to league average, you'd probably have the Campbell of the first half of last year. If you add a great defense to that, then you have a super bowl contender.

Jason Campbell is probably not the type of player who gets better by putting the ball in his hands 50 times a game like Brady or Brees. If he had better ball-securing fundamentals, then maybe. If you put a legitimately great receiver and OL in front of him, you'd probably have something that looks like Steve McNair. Otherwise, you're always going to have to take the good with the bad.

Are you serious? He avg'd ONE TD pass a game during that stint. You think that will beat Manning,Brady,Brees,Favre or Warner?