Campbell's numbers dont lie

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I've been one of Campbell's more steadfast supporters around these parts. Recently I've said that I think he can still be an effective game manager and starting QB in the league, but it probably isn't going to happen for him here.

You can see by his numbers that he's an average NFL QB. He's not Jamarcus Russell or Derek Anderson and he's not Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. He's a guy who won't kill you with mistakes and also not dazzle you with amazing plays.

If you've got a team that plays smart football, runs well, protects well and needs 2-3 plays from your QB per game, he can be your guy. If you've got a team that struggles to do the little things, can't always move the ball and needs the QB to create plays offensively, he's probably the wrong fit. Right now, we're that second type of team so he's not a good fit for us.

Name one team like that these days,gone are the days where you could run the ball, play defense and win titles. Even Minn who has a good defense and a great back in AP needs a playmaker at the QB position to win games. The Titans last yr had a good defense and a great backfield and they lost their first playoff game. These days it takes a playmaking QB to win.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Name one team like that these days,gone are the days where you could run the ball, play defense and win titles. Even Minn who has a good defense and a great back in AP needs a playmaker at the QB position to win games. The Titans last yr had a good defense and a great backfield and they lost their first playoff game. These days it takes a playmaking QB to win.

I'd say that every team that wins the championship can run and play good defense. A lot of them can pass as well.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'd say that every team that wins the championship can run and play good defense. A lot of them can pass as well.

To win a title you have to have a playmaker at the QB spot,not a manager who can make a play here and there. When was the last time a team with a good running game and a avg QB won the SB? And even if you throw out the names Dilfer and Johnson you have to point out the fact that they had great defenses,the type of defenses that dont come along very often that can take over games. it may be another 4+ yrs before you see a defense like those that carry a team to the title but in that time you will see many teams win because of the man throwing the ball.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

To win a title you have to have a playmaker at the QB spot,not a manager who can make a play here and there. When was the last time a team with a good running game and a avg QB won the SB? And even if you throw out the names Dilfer and Johnson you have to point out the fact that they had great defenses,the type of defenses that dont come along very often that can take over games. it may be another 4+ yrs before you see a defense like those that carry a team to the title but in that time you will see many teams win because of the man throwing the ball.

Brady prior to 2004 was a pretty mediocre QB, and he won two titles before his breakout. Roethlisberger in 2005. Eli in 2007.

How often does one of the top five QBs in the NFL at the time actually win the super bowl? Peyton in 2006, Brady in 2004, Warner in 1999, and like, Favre in 1996? Those teams had playmakers at the QB spot and won, I guess, but in 13 years a top five quarterback (in that year) has won the super bowl four times. That's 30%.

You're wasting your time on this argument. Having a great quarterback and having a great defense are both great weapons in terms of winning playoff games, but balance is way more important.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Brady prior to 2004 was a pretty mediocre QB, and he won two titles before his breakout. Roethlisberger in 2005. Eli in 2007.

How often does one of the top five QBs in the NFL at the time actually win the super bowl? Peyton in 2006, Brady in 2004, Warner in 1999, and like, Favre in 1996? Those teams had playmakers at the QB spot and won, I guess, but in 13 years a top five quarterback (in that year) has won the super bowl four times. That's 30%.

You're wasting your time on this argument. Having a great quarterback and having a great defense are both great weapons in terms of winning playoff games, but balance is way more important.

Yeah right. 03 and 04 were pretty damn good years for Brady. Especially when was throwing to Deion Branch, Troy Brown and the guy that left for Tenn that was never heard from again. If JC could put up numbers that Brady did in those years he'd be rewarded with a big raise.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Yeah right. 03 and 04 were pretty damn good years for Brady. Especially when was throwing to Deion Branch, Troy Brown and the guy that left for Tenn that was never heard from again. If JC could put up numbers that Brady did in those years he'd be rewarded with a big raise.

Do look it up. Brady's 2003 and Campbell's 2008 are near-identical.

Jason Campbell NFL & AFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Tom Brady NFL & AFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Brady really broke out in 2004, as previously pointed out.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Do look it up. Brady's 2003 and Campbell's 2008 are near-identical.

Jason Campbell NFL & AFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Tom Brady NFL & AFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Brady really broke out in 2004, as previously pointed out.

The numbers are not near identical. Brady was clearly better in 02 and 03. And that's not a knock on JC.