Portis is a BIG problem!!!

[CantonLegend]

Originally Posted by Lotus

He's arguing that based on past stats. He hasn't seen the games this year.

i told you id be back.....after practice ehem work

im arguing based on his career......his career is currently in the present but im using his past stats because he has been injured this season

he isnt a giant baby and he plays through injuries unlike a lot of players in the league.....he carries the load by himself even tho he is injured.....im using his stats last season because he wasnt injured.....because he was healthy for the majority of the season and you saw what he could do

this year he is getting 6 less carries per game than he got last year and at an average of 4 yards per carry, thats 24 more yards your team is missing on the ground

its easier to look at a complete season and tell how someone has bounced back after an injury than look at their current injured season to see how they have played.......portis is injured now, hes been injured before and he bounced back very well

1262 yards well

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

i told you id be back.....after practice ehem work

im arguing based on his career......his career is currently in the present but im using his past stats because he has been injured this season

he isnt a giant baby and he plays through injuries unlike a lot of players in the league.....he carries the load by himself even tho he is injured.....im using his stats last season because he wasnt injured.....because he was healthy for the majority of the season and you saw what he could do

this year he is getting 6 less carries per game than he got last year and at an average of 4 yards per carry, thats 24 more yards your team is missing on the ground

its easier to look at a complete season and tell how someone has bounced back after an injury than look at their current injured season to see how they have played.......portis is injured now, hes been injured before and he bounced back very well

1262 yards well

Portis is showing the typical decline that RBs have when they hit the 30 year old mark (Shaun Alexander, Tiki Barber, Fred Taylor, LT, Edge James, etc., etc.). I think Curtis Martin was probably one of the few if not the only RB in recent history to have a career season after the age of 30. I don't understand why you insist on ignoring the fact that Portis has a lot of mileage on him given the running philosophy of this team. And speaking of running philosophies, this teams need to adopt and two or three-RB system, otherwise the next young RB that we have will be done before they reach 30 (like Portis).

Portis in a sense is a big baby when it comes to leadership...he has none and sadly he's the face of the franchise. While he is no T.O., or pre-Pats Randy Moss, Portis is a disturbance in the locker room. He has a direct line to the ownership, and that has allowed him to undermine the authority of both Joe Gibbs and Jim Zorn. He called out Mike Sellers and threw him under the bus, while he had less rushing TDs than our punter. And ever since he injured his shoulder in the preseason a few years ago, he is probably the only player that doesn't practice.

So you either have a fanatical infatuation with Clinton Portis or you just want to come here to F with people. While no one is denying his successes here in Washington, right now in this season he is not earning his paycheck and can be added to the number of things that is wrong with the team.

[CantonLegend]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Portis is showing the typical decline that RBs have when they hit the 30 year old mark (Shaun Alexander, Tiki Barber, Fred Taylor, LT, Edge James, etc., etc.).

shaun alexander lost his linemen and his fullback......same with LT.....edge went to arizona.....a prodominantly passing team.......fred taylor dropped because maurice jones drew started taking his carries

tiki barber? retired at 30 after rushing for over 1600 yards in his last season and over 1800 in the season before that

I don't understand why you insist on ignoring the fact that Portis has a lot of mileage on him given the running philosophy of this team. And speaking of running philosophies, this teams need to adopt and two or three-RB system, otherwise the next young RB that we have will be done before they reach 30 (like Portis).

im not ignoring that at all....in fact i have said a few times that he could and should carry your team because thats what he has done in the past

i love the idea of having a running back come off the bench to spell the starter......however, you tried that earlier this season and betts couldnt handle the small workload

Portis in a sense is a big baby when it comes to leadership

not everybody in the league has the leadership trait.....thats why good leaders get so much credit and attention.....like ray lewis.....portis doesnt practice because hes hurt, because he doesnt want to get hurt again, and because he doesnt need to.....hes 27 years old and knows the offense well

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

shaun alexander lost his linemen and his fullback......same with LT.....edge went to arizona.....a prodominantly passing team.......fred taylor dropped because maurice jones drew started taking his carries

tiki barber? retired at 30 after rushing for over 1600 yards in his last season and over 1800 in the season before that



im not ignoring that at all....in fact i have said a few times that he could and should carry your team because thats what he has done in the past

i love the idea of having a running back come off the bench to spell the starter......however, you tried that earlier this season and betts couldnt handle the small workload



not everybody in the league has the leadership trait.....thats why good leaders get so much credit and attention.....like ray lewis.....portis doesnt practice because hes hurt, because he doesnt want to get hurt again, and because he doesnt need to.....hes 27 years old and knows the offense well

What? You are obviously not watching the games.

[CantonLegend]

Originally Posted by Lotus

What? You are obviously not watching the games.

lol betts was getting a couple carries every game and was sometimes ending up with negative yardage......he was supposed to be a big part of this team coming into the season according the many "experts"

he was supposed to spell portis because portis was getting older and everyone thought the team would figure out its better to have 2 fresh backs but with the limited workload that betts got, he sure as hell didnt earn anymore carries

until portis got hurt, betts had 21 rushing yards on 11 carries

he was much better in the passing game but still failed to score after 7 weeks

for whatever reason, betts wasnt implemented a lot and i believe its because he wasnt showing enough to merit more touches

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Portis is showing the typical decline that RBs have when they hit the 30 year old mark (Shaun Alexander, Tiki Barber, Fred Taylor, LT, Edge James, etc., etc.). I think Curtis Martin was probably one of the few if not the only RB in recent history to have a career season after the age of 30. I don't understand why you insist on ignoring the fact that Portis has a lot of mileage on him given the running philosophy of this team. And speaking of running philosophies, this teams need to adopt and two or three-RB system, otherwise the next young RB that we have will be done before they reach 30 (like Portis).

Portis in a sense is a big baby when it comes to leadership...he has none and sadly he's the face of the franchise. While he is no T.O., or pre-Pats Randy Moss, Portis is a disturbance in the locker room. He has a direct line to the ownership, and that has allowed him to undermine the authority of both Joe Gibbs and Jim Zorn. He called out Mike Sellers and threw him under the bus, while he had less rushing TDs than our punter. And ever since he injured his shoulder in the preseason a few years ago, he is probably the only player that doesn't practice.

So you either have a fanatical infatuation with Clinton Portis or you just want to come here to F with people. While no one is denying his successes here in Washington, right now in this season he is not earning his paycheck and can be added to the number of things that is wrong with the team.

Once again hating Portis because of something other than football. Go away with this leadership mess. The head coach is supposed to be the leader. Portis was brought here to run the football and not advance your social conservative culture war (which you lost badly btw). There was no problem with leadership when Gibbs was the coach. Who cares if you're mad he doesn't practice. You have a right not to practice when you are carrying the whole offense on your shoulders, and taking a freaking beating every week. Portis carried us after Sean Taylor died. Yet, some people claim it was Collins. Portis is getting no credit for what he does and blame because he does not fit the image you would like to see. I say keep sacrificing your body to advance that pigskin and you have done your job Clinton.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Once again hating Portis because of something other than football. Go away with this leadership mess. The head coach is supposed to be the leader. Portis was brought here to run the football and not advance your social conservative culture war (which you lost badly btw). There was no problem with leadership when Gibbs was the coach. Who cares if you're mad he doesn't practice. You have a right not to practice when you are carrying the whole offense on your shoulders, and taking a freaking beating every week. Portis carried us after Sean Taylor died. Yet, some people claim it was Collins. Portis is getting no credit for what he does and blame because he does not fit the image you would like to see. I say keep sacrificing your body to advance that pigskin and you have done your job Clinton.

I largely agree with you, but "social conservative culture war"...what place does that have here?

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I largely agree with you, but "social conservative culture war"...what place does that have here?

I take back that statement.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Once again hating Portis because of something other than football. Go away with this leadership mess. The head coach is supposed to be the leader. Portis was brought here to run the football and not advance your social conservative culture war (which you lost badly btw). There was no problem with leadership when Gibbs was the coach. Who cares if you're mad he doesn't practice. You have a right not to practice when you are carrying the whole offense on your shoulders, and taking a freaking beating every week. Portis carried us after Sean Taylor died. Yet, some people claim it was Collins. Portis is getting no credit for what he does and blame because he does not fit the image you would like to see. I say keep sacrificing your body to advance that pigskin and you have done your job Clinton.

I think you are having the typical knee jerk reaction of complaining about anyone who criticizes Portis.

As I mentioned before, no one is discrediting or disregarding what Portis has done for this organization, but it is foolish to just hold on to that and pretend like he has had any type of impact on or off the field this season.

And I completely disagree with the whole leadership issue. While yes, leadership should come from the head coach, but it should also come from veteran players, especially those that are seen as the face of the franchise (i.e. Peyton, Brady, Ray Lewis, etc., etc.).

Finally, I am far from hating on Clinton Portis...I think if healthy, he can still be a big part of this offense, but the team should change its philosophy and not make him the ONLY part of the offense. This team needs to adopt a two-RB system, to make sure that in the future we don't run to death the next Clinton Portis.

PS: And what the hell do you mean by social conservative war?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

i told you id be back.....after practice ehem work

im arguing based on his career......his career is currently in the present but im using his past stats because he has been injured this season

he isnt a giant baby and he plays through injuries unlike a lot of players in the league.....he carries the load by himself even tho he is injured.....im using his stats last season because he wasnt injured.....because he was healthy for the majority of the season and you saw what he could do

this year he is getting 6 less carries per game than he got last year and at an average of 4 yards per carry, thats 24 more yards your team is missing on the ground

its easier to look at a complete season and tell how someone has bounced back after an injury than look at their current injured season to see how they have played.......portis is injured now, hes been injured before and he bounced back very well

1262 yards well

Arguing from Portis's past logically ignores the notion that Portis just has too much wear and tear in 2009, regardless of anything that has happened in the past.

Also, you continue to avoid the criticism that you have not seen Portis play this year.

So be specific: cite specific plays from 2009 which show that Portis has still "got it." Be specific.

Others here are citing specific plays from 2009 in support of their arguments. If you cannot do the same then you are simply talking out of your ass.

So let's hear the specifics from 2009.

[CantonLegend]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Arguing from Portis's past logically ignores the notion that Portis just has too much wear and tear in 2009, regardless of anything that has happened in the past.

Also, you continue to avoid the criticism that you have not seen Portis play this year.

So be specific: cite specific plays from 2009 which show that Portis has still "got it." Be specific.

Others here are citing specific plays from 2009 in support of their arguments. If you cannot do the same then you are simply talking out of your ass.

So let's hear the specifics from 2009.

oh there was this one run earlier in the season that you probably didnt see but he got some yardage on it

i dont know what you want me to say? i cant cite specific instances when i dont give 2 shits about the redskins...i have watched the redskins play this season and ive already said that

what i can say is that portis broke of a 35 yarder against the giants in the first game of the season and a 78 yarder against the chiefs a few weeks back......long runs dont come along all the time so im not exactly sure what you want me to say

in fact.....a 78 yarder is the longest of his career i think which pretty much proves, hes still got it

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

oh there was this one run earlier in the season that you probably didnt see but he got some yardage on it

i dont know what you want me to say? i cant cite specific instances when i dont give 2 shits about the redskins...i have watched the redskins play this season and ive already said that

what i can say is that portis broke of a 35 yarder against the giants in the first game of the season and a 78 yarder against the chiefs a few weeks back......long runs dont come along all the time so im not exactly sure what you want me to say

in fact.....a 78 yarder is the longest of his career i think which pretty much proves, hes still got it

So you have no specifics, do you? Saying "oh there was this one run earlier in the season that you probably didnt see but he got some yardage on it" is in no way specific. You have not seen the Redskins play! You have not seen Portis play this year! Yet you argue with those of us who have seen every Portis carry this year?

I live in the Saints tv area, so I am utterly certain that, on most days this year, the Redskins and Saints have played at the same time. This means that if you watched the Saints, you did not see the Redskins.

So let's recap: you have not watched Portis play but you still feel justified in telling people who have watched every play that they are wrong.

What a loser.

[CantonLegend]

Originally Posted by Lotus

So you have no specifics, do you? Saying "oh there was this one run earlier in the season that you probably didnt see but he got some yardage on it" is in no way specific. You have not seen the Redskins play! You have not seen Portis play this year! Yet you argue with those of us who have seen every Portis carry this year?

I live in the Saints tv area, so I am utterly certain that, on most days this year, the Redskins and Saints have played at the same time. This means that if you watched the Saints, you did not see the Redskins.

So let's recap: you have not watched Portis play but you still feel justified in telling people who have watched every play that they are wrong.

What a loser.

so really...you havent gotten to see many redskins games?

i dont live in saints TV area.....i do get to see the redskins because the browns cant manage to sell out their games and the redskins games have been against teams that do manage to sell out their games

like new york, atlanta and carolina

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

so really...you havent gotten to see many redskins games?

i dont live in saints TV area.....i do get to see the redskins because the browns cant manage to sell out their games and the redskins games have been against teams that do manage to sell out their games

like new york, atlanta and carolina

I have watched every Redskins play this season. If the game is not on tv, I watch the game live on the internet.

So let's be specific: tell me about Portis' play at the goal line against the Rams. What happened, and why?

If you've seen the games, you can answer that question.

I'm waiting...

[CantonLegend]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I have watched every Redskins play this season. If the game is not on tv, I watch the game live on the internet.

So let's be specific: tell me about Portis' play at the goal line against the Rams. What happened, and why?

If you've seen the games, you can answer that question.

I'm waiting...

lmao how the hell would i know

what happened on the very first play of the game? what happened on the very first play of the 3rd qtr in the 3rd game of the season?

i didnt watch the rams game......i have no idea what happened and i really dont care