Cerrato's Not (Just) Incompetent - He's Oblivioius (Offensive Line / Dysfunctional Coaching Staff Related)

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I can't tell if you're being serious or not...again the great QBs of the day show intense emotion on and off the field. I've watched Tom Brady steam as he walks to the sideline, even yelling at those around him. Same for Peyton. But again my personal fav is Brees...I've watched him shout right at teammates coming off the field or on the sidelines but there's always a lot of positive enthusiasm (?) coming thru. Makes him maybe the most likable great QB in my book.

At any rate I don't know why anyone would want a QB, or any athlete for that matter, who didn't get psyched up for the game. Jeez the greatest athlete in my lifetime, Jordan, was almost always the most passionate personality on the court.

Tripp maybe you don't watch a lot of sports, or maybe you just can't see beyond your partiality for JC.

Jeff George yelled at his teammates all the time. Ryan Leaf screamed at everyone. Joe Montana was one of the mildest mannered cats out there. Brett Favre, who is the most videoed and mic'd up QBs ever, doesn't have one clip of him lighting up one of his players.

Those overt shows of emotion have absolutely nothing to do with your ability to be an effective NFL QB.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Jeff George yelled at his teammates all the time. Ryan Leaf screamed at everyone. Joe Montana was one of the mildest mannered cats out there. Brett Favre, who is the most videoed and mic'd up QBs ever, doesn't have one clip of him lighting up one of his players.

Those overt shows of emotion have absolutely nothing to do with your ability to be an effective NFL QB.

I agree somewhat. Yelling at your teammates is definitely not the right way to rile them up and I think the offensive chemistry of the Skins is so bad at this point, yelling would be detrimental.

But I think if you have good chemistry and your players work as a group "brain" so to speak, just trying to get the moral up can't hurt.

But to go along with that, there's a fine line between screaming at your teammates and telling them they're fucking it up and screaming at them because you KNOW they're capable of doing better.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Jeff George yelled at his teammates all the time. Ryan Leaf screamed at everyone. Joe Montana was one of the mildest mannered cats out there. Brett Favre, who is the most videoed and mic'd up QBs ever, doesn't have one clip of him lighting up one of his players.

Those overt shows of emotion have absolutely nothing to do with your ability to be an effective NFL QB.

I don't know where this turned into a discussion of screaming at people per se, actually it has little to nothing to do w/ the topic. Brett Favre is probably the most passionate QB in the game right now. Certainly he shows his exuberance differently than Brady, Peyton or Brees, but the whole point was to say the vast, vast, vast majority of elite athletes show TONS of passion come game-time. I really don't see how this is debatable. Go down the list of greats in any sport and look for those who showed no passion and those who did...gonna be a tipped scale to be sure.

...the one position where "placidity" is more or less a virtue is MBL pitchers. I think it makes sense because that more than any other position, probably applies to the sport of baseball as a whole, has a serious head-game/psychological side to it. I remember watching an interview once where the Big Unit said he trained himself to keep a poker face through every inning (even though he seemed pissed most of the time IMO).

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I don't know where this turned into a discussion of screaming at people per se, actually it has little to nothing to do w/ the topic. Brett Favre is probably the most passionate QB in the game right now. Certainly he shows his exuberance differently than Brady, Peyton or Brees, but the whole point was to say the vast, vast, vast majority of elite athletes show TONS of passion come game-time. I really don't see how this is debatable. Go down the list of greats in any sport and look for those who showed no passion and those who did...gonna be a tipped scale to be sure.

...the one position where "placidity" is more or less a virtue is MBL pitchers. I think it makes sense because that more than any other position, probably applies to the sport of baseball as a whole, has a serious head-game/psychological side to it. I remember watching an interview once where the Big Unit said he trained himself to keep a poker face through every inning (even though he seemed pissed most of the time IMO).

Well your post referenced Brady and Brees 'shouting' and 'screaming'.. Regardless of verbal displays or not, 'showing passion' has zero to do with actual ability or performance.