Tiger Asks for Mulligan; Promises to Keep Driver in Bag

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Agreed fully. I've been beating that drum in my conversations about this with friends/family in recent days. If you want to be promiscuous, be my guest. But why be so damn fake? He and Elin haven't been married that long, and he's been fooling around for at least 3 years, probably more. Why enter into a marriage, exchange vows, and have children knowing full well you're going to be unfaithful?

Why do you say Tiger is being fake? And who are we to say that he didn't exchange vows from the bottom of his heart. I find that sort of absurd.

True, if you WANT to be promiscuous, don't get married. Agreed. But isn't it entirely possible that Tiger had no intentions to cheat on his wife? Isn't it possible that he still loves her? I just don't like the judgement being hurled at Woods like he's the scum of the earth all of a sudden. Yes, it's a horrible thing to be unfaithful to your spouse - it really is. But it's amazing to me how he's fallen from grace in the eyes of so many because of infidelity and a moral weakness.

I am in no way trying to demean or undermine the instition of marriage by my reasoning, because I'm not. I just don't appreciate how he's being demonized and judged - especially when we don't live in Tiger Woods' shoes.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Why do you say Tiger is being fake? And who are we to say that he didn't exchange vows from the bottom of his heart. I find that sort of absurd.

True, if you WANT to be promiscuous, don't get married. Agreed. But isn't it entirely possible that Tiger had no intentions to cheat on his wife? Isn't it possible that he still loves her? I just don't like the judgement being hurled at Woods like he's the scum of the earth all of a sudden. Yes, it's a horrible thing to be unfaithful to your spouse - it really is. But it's amazing to me how he's fallen from grace in the eyes of so many because of infidelity and a moral weakness.

I am in no way trying to demean or undermine the instition of marriage by my reasoning, because I'm not. I just don't appreciate how he's being demonized and judged - especially when we don't live in Tiger Woods' shoes.

Well, I'm operating under the assumption that he's been promiscuous for some time. I find it very hard to believe that he married a gorgeous Swedish model and shortly after simply decided to start fooling around. My hunch is that he's been this way for a long time. Maybe I'm wrong.

I don't think Tiger Woods is a bad human being. His charities have been fantastic, and he's done a ton of good on and off the golf course. But he has his demons (a wandering eye to say the least) clearly.

I'm not trying to demonize the man, but come on 12th. You don't like the way he's being judged? The most famous athlete possibly of all time has just been nailed for ongoing, premeditated infidelity and lies. You really think he should be above reproach? I certainly haven't heard him called the scum of the earth, but this is cause (and rightfully so) for his character to be questioned.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Well, I'm operating under the assumption that he's been promiscuous for some time. I find it very hard to believe that he married a gorgeous Swedish model and shortly after simply decided to start fooling around. My hunch is that he's been this way for a long time. Maybe I'm wrong.

I don't think Tiger Woods is a bad human being. His charities have been fantastic, and he's done a ton of good on and off the golf course. But he has his demons (a wandering eye to say the least) clearly.

I'm not trying to demonize the man, but come on 12th. You don't like the way he's being judged? The most famous athlete possibly of all time has just been nailed for ongoing, premeditated infidelity and lies. You really think he should be above reproach? I certainly haven't heard him called the scum of the earth, but this is cause (and rightfully so) for his character to be questioned.

No, I don't think he's above reproach but by the same token I don't like the open season on Tiger Woods either. I hate it. In that regard I would react the same way if it was one of my buddies. Yeah, you fucked up really bad dude, but you're still my boy. And as well as intentioned as some here sound about being faithful as they should, all I'm saying is you don't know what you're capable of until you're in that situation over and over and over again. You don't know until you know, man. That's all I'm saying.

I can sit here until I'm blue in the face and declare every romantic platitude and make every vow to my wife in the world and still fail one day. I don't know what it's like to be rich, powerful, have influence and perhaps lonely. I don't mean to overanalyze this, but it's mighty convenient to throw granades from the sideline and tell the dude in the heat of the moment, don't eff this up.

I'm done with this one.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

No, I don't think he's above reproach but by the same token I don't like the open season on Tiger Woods either. I hate it. In that regard I would react the same way if it was one of my buddies. Yeah, you fucked up really bad dude, but you're still my boy. And as well as intentioned as some here sound about being faithful as they should, all I'm saying is you don't know what you're capable of until you're in that situation over and over and over again. You don't know until you know, man. That's all I'm saying.

I can sit here until I'm blue in the face and declare every romantic platitude and make every vow to my wife in the world and still fail one day. I don't know what it's like to be rich, powerful, have influence and perhaps lonely. I don't mean to overanalyze this, but it's mighty convenient to throw granades from the sideline and tell the dude in the heat of the moment, don't eff this up.

I'm done with this one.

Well, there really wasn't a heat of the moment. An ongoing affair and repeated lies is premeditated. It's not like he slipped once. That at least could be written off as a temporary lapse in judgement.

Anyway, I agree that the whole situation sucks, and it's a shame that privacy doesn't really exist any more.

I've always been a huge Tiger Woods fan. I wish him and his family nothing but the best moving forward. I hope they make it.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

No, I don't think he's above reproach but by the same token I don't like the open season on Tiger Woods either. I hate it. In that regard I would react the same way if it was one of my buddies. Yeah, you fucked up really bad dude, but you're still my boy. And as well as intentioned as some here sound about being faithful as they should, all I'm saying is you don't know what you're capable of until you're in that situation over and over and over again. You don't know until you know, man. That's all I'm saying.

I can sit here until I'm blue in the face and declare every romantic platitude and make every vow to my wife in the world and still fail one day. I don't know what it's like to be rich, powerful, have influence and perhaps lonely. I don't mean to overanalyze this, but it's mighty convenient to throw granades from the sideline and tell the dude in the heat of the moment, don't eff this up.

I'm done with this one.

I know.