Some Things Never Change (WP:RI Article)

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

desaen jackson was drafted right after fred davis, and ray rice was drafted three or four spots behind kelly, not to mention we needed lineman in both of thoose drafts and we got one, vinny is terrible personell guy

I remember Vinny saying one reason they passed on Jackson was because they wanted to get bigger wr's for the WCO. See this is why Vinny is a dumb ass. You don't draft guys just cause they're big, or can run fast, or look good in their uniforms. IMO you draft guys on production...then all the other stuff comes 2nd. Now if he did that and paid attention to Jackson's body of work then he should've been a Redskin over Davis. Plus Jackson would've filled a GLARING need which is on punt returns. Total fail on Vinny's part.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I remember Vinny saying one reason they passed on Jackson was because they wanted to get bigger wr's for the WCO. See this is why Vinny is a dumb ass. You don't draft guys just cause they're big, or can run fast, or look good in their uniforms. IMO you draft guys on production...then all the other stuff comes 2nd. Now if he did that and paid attention to Jackson's body of work then he should've been a Redskin over Davis. Plus Jackson would've filled a GLARING need which is on punt returns. Total fail on Vinny's part.

Vinny would have been absolutely blasted here if he had drafted 5'10" DeSean Jackson to play alongside 5'10" Santana Moss and 5'10" Antwaan Randle El.

The Eagles have failed time and time again when it comes to selecting WRs. Good for them on Jackson...but Devin Thomas will be just as good

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Vinny would have been absolutely blasted here if he had drafted 5'10" DeSean Jackson to play alongside 5'10" Santana Moss and 5'10" Antwaan Randle El.

The Eagles have failed time and time again when it comes to selecting WRs. Good for them on Jackson...but Devin Thomas will be just as good

Agreed. One of our biggest problems the past few years was that we had no big red zone targets for Campbell. In 2008, we drafted 3 of them. In 2010, i fully expect Thomas to be a starting WR and Kelly or Mitchell to be our #3 posession WR. Whoever our next coach is, he's going to find a way to get Davis and Cooley on the field together a lot. Moving Cooley back to H-back/TE is a possibility that others have suggested.

Hopefully, the new coaching staff will keep Campbell around for another year and resist the urge to draft one of the vastly overrated QBs in the 1st round. However, even if they make a "dumb" move and draft a QB in the 1st and OT in the 2nd (see 2008 Falcons), then the rookie QB will benefit from having 5 BIG targets to throw at (Davis, Kelly, Thomas, Cooley, and Mitchell). One of the biggest problems rookie quarterbacks experience is how fast the NFL is and how accurate their throws must be since NFL DBs dont let WRs get open nearly as much as their college counterparts. Big, phisical receivers are a rookie QBs best friend.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Vinny would have been absolutely blasted here if he had drafted 5'10" DeSean Jackson to play alongside 5'10" Santana Moss and 5'10" Antwaan Randle El.

The Eagles have failed time and time again when it comes to selecting WRs. Good for them on Jackson...but Devin Thomas will be just as good

How tall was Gary Clark? I've been right next the guy and he can't be more than 5'10. Again it doesn't matter how big and strong a guy is. It's comes down to can he play football. So far Jackson is miles ahead of Thomas. I hope Thomas can come on but right now it's not even close.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

How tall was Gary Clark? I've been right next the guy and he can't be more than 5'10. Again it doesn't matter how big and strong a guy is. It's comes down to can he play football. So far Jackson is miles ahead of Thomas. I hope Thomas can come on but right now it's not even close.

I love when people make the other side's argument. Gary Clark was good, but without Monk he would have had less of the career. We have this teams Gary Clark in Santana, we needed a Monk, and may have found one in DT at least last game, the way he pulled away from receivers.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I love when people make the other side's argument. Gary Clark was good, but without Monk he would have had less of the career. We have this teams Gary Clark in Santana, we needed a Monk, and may have found one in DT at least last game, the way he pulled away from receivers.

I'm hoping that Kelly becomes the Monk type and DT is a little more Gary Clark

either way if we can catch, move the chains, and score TDs I don't care who plays what role

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Vinny would have been absolutely blasted here if he had drafted 5'10" DeSean Jackson to play alongside 5'10" Santana Moss and 5'10" Antwaan Randle El.

The Eagles have failed time and time again when it comes to selecting WRs. Good for them on Jackson...but Devin Thomas will be just as good

Seriously, everyone and their mother was banging on the "we need a big WR" drum back then.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I remember Vinny saying one reason they passed on Jackson was because they wanted to get bigger wr's for the WCO. See this is why Vinny is a dumb ass. You don't draft guys just cause they're big, or can run fast, or look good in their uniforms. IMO you draft guys on production...then all the other stuff comes 2nd. Now if he did that and paid attention to Jackson's body of work then he should've been a Redskin over Davis. Plus Jackson would've filled a GLARING need which is on punt returns. Total fail on Vinny's part.

Well in all fairness, if Jackson had been drafted, he would never have broken into the lineup, because Santana hasn't been injured. So he would have been inactive most of the first year, and some of this. Also, why would we have put him in to return kicks, we had others who could return kicks on the roster, and we never replaced ARE, so Jackson would not have done that either. And last I checked a 2nd rounder who only returns kicks would get the same criticism as every other draft pick gets around here.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Well in all fairness, if Jackson had been drafted, he would never have broken into the lineup, because Santana hasn't been injured. So he would have been inactive most of the first year, and some of this. Also, why would we have put him in to return kicks, we had others who could return kicks on the roster, and we never replaced ARE, so Jackson would not have done that either. And last I checked a 2nd rounder who only returns kicks would get the same criticism as every other draft pick gets around here.

How in the world would he have been inactive? He also could've split time w/ ARE and eventually beat him out. And sorry but a guy that's as fast as Jackson, plus add in the skill set and his ass would've been on the field right away.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

How in the world would he have been inactive? He also could've split time w/ ARE and eventually beat him out. And sorry but a guy that's as fast as Jackson, plus add in the skill set and his ass would've been on the field right away.

Because that is how our coaching staff has operated. No one has just come on, except Orakpo, and started in front of named position players. Although we will never know, I am more than willing to bet that DJ would have been a bust here in DC (remember his first non-TD? he wouldn't have seen the field again!)

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Because that is how our coaching staff has operated. No one has just come on, except Orakpo, and started in front of named position players. Although we will never know, I am more than willing to bet that DJ would have been a bust here in DC (remember his first non-TD? he wouldn't have seen the field again!)

I hear what you saying, I just dont like diminishing a player like Desean who has gone out and preformed, making big plays and being a badass in general as a receiver as a well as special teams. Both teams needed WR in that, to this date Philly got the better player...I hope our entire offense coaching staff would not be so incrediably poor not to put this guy on the field...wow we must really suck. ARE, im sorry-he is a great guy, good locker room and all that-but doesnt even come close to the talent Desean Jackson is showing right now on the field ever in his career. I really really hope would we be smart enough to here to let this guy get on the field. I think DT can be special and hope he will be here, do you think DT could preform in Philly under a better coached offense, QB, and supporting cast? I think better, but not close to what ive seen of Desean, he is just a special player

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

How in the world would he have been inactive? He also could've split time w/ ARE and eventually beat him out. And sorry but a guy that's as fast as Jackson, plus add in the skill set and his ass would've been on the field right away.

Marko Mitchell could be a world beater too, but the Redskin way is to bring them along slowly unless a starter is injured. I think that's the point CRedskinsRule is trying to make. Who knows how long it would have taken the coaches to trust Jackson enough to actually throw to him? Personally I think DT may end up being better than Jackson.