Jurgensen thinks Campbell will be back

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

2008 Chad Rinehart.. 3rd round is still early (expected to start/contribute) and he's arguably been a disappointment. He was drafted with an eye towards '09 to replace Thomas but didn't really develop as Vinny hoped. He showed signs of improvement but going into '10 he's not a sure fire starter.

Eh. Rinehart is kind of a bad example for your argument. He was always a project and probably drafted too high. He wasn't exactly playing against NFL caliber D-lineman at Northern Iowa. The thing about wiffing on Rinehart that stings so much is that we passed up on the best class of OTs in recent history in the early rounds.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Eh.The thing about wiffing on Rinehart that stings so much is that we passed up on the best class of OTs in recent history in the early rounds.

And if we don't pick OL with our 1st 2 picks then we will repeat that story.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

And if we don't pick OL with our 1st 2 picks then we will repeat that story.

And yet we'll use our 1st round pick on a QB or a RB. If Cerrato is still around that is.

I'd LOVE to move our high 1st round pick down for multiple later picks. For all those that want to trade Cooley for the extra picks, I'd rather keep him and move that top 10 pick for multiple early round picks.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by GMScud

And yet we'll use our 1st round pick on a QB or a RB. If Cerrato is still around that is.

I'd LOVE to move our high 1st round pick down for multiple later picks. For all those that want to trade Cooley for the extra picks, I'd rather keep him and move that top 10 pick for multiple early round picks.

Couldn't agree more. If they draft a QB or RB with the 1st pick most fans will forfeit their tickets, we know damn well what killed this team in '09 and they better address the OL early and with at least 2 picks.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

And yet we'll use our 1st round pick on a QB or a RB. If Cerrato is still around that is.

I'd LOVE to move our high 1st round pick down for multiple later picks. For all those that want to trade Cooley for the extra picks, I'd rather keep him and move that top 10 pick for multiple early round picks.

Probably more likely we'll use our 2nd round pick to try to trade down.

As for OL, there's really only one T in this draft legitimately considered a top 5 pick. And that's Russel Okung. And who knows if he's there when the Redskins pick. After that there's nobody that most scouts and execs see as a bonafide T. And by that I mean LT. Trent Williams is slipping in many draft boards because he's seen as a right tackle in the NFL. OL won't be neglected, it just won't necessarily be addressed in the first round. I don't think.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Probably more likely we'll use our 2nd round pick to try to trade down.

As for OL, there's really only one T in this draft legitimately considered a top 5 pick. And that's Russel Okung. And who knows if he's there when the Redskins pick. After that there's nobody that most scouts and execs see as a bonafide T. And by that I mean LT. Trent Williams is slipping in many draft boards because he's seen as a right tackle in the NFL. OL won't be neglected, it just won't necessarily be addressed in the first round. I don't think.

I get that, but is Okung really going to be top 5? I'm not sure. The reason I said I'd love to trade down is the exact reason you stated- it's a weak OL class. I'd rather get multiple picks for our high 1st rounder and stockpile rather than rolling the dice early on an Okung.

I do NOT NOT NOT want a QB in the 1st round, but as long as we paid significant attention to OL later in the draft an in FA, I could really smile about a CJ Spiller.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Eh. Rinehart is kind of a bad example for your argument. He was always a project and probably drafted too high. He wasn't exactly playing against NFL caliber D-lineman at Northern Iowa. The thing about wiffing on Rinehart that stings so much is that we passed up on the best class of OTs in recent history in the early rounds.

Actually it makes my point perfectly. We'd been clamoring for drafting a OL and we did. He was someone that wasn't slotted to be picked where he was but 'we drafted an OL'. Like in the '09 draft where no OL were picked for like 3 rounds but people were still up in arms we didn't choose one in the 3rd round. If there's a quality guy, get him, but don't just pick an OL for the sake of picking an OL.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Actually it makes my point perfectly. We'd been clamoring for drafting a OL and we did. He was someone that wasn't slotted to be picked where he was but 'we drafted an OL'. Like in the '09 draft where no OL were picked for like 3 rounds but people were still up in arms we didn't choose one in the 3rd round. If there's a quality guy, get him, but don't just pick an OL for the sake of picking an OL.

I don't know. If Rinehart was the obligatory "draft an OL" pick, why take such a gamble?

[GridIron26]

Good article about Campbell; Jason Campbell plays well, even as Redskins have not - washingtonpost.com

[irish]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

Good article about Campbell; Jason Campbell plays well, even as Redskins have not - washingtonpost.com

It is a good article but what it doesnt say is that JC is playing well now that its garbage time. Early in the season when the games still mattered for making the post-season he stunk up the place but now that nothing is on the line he's playing better.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

It is a good article but what it doesnt say is that JC is playing well now that its garbage time. Early in the season when the games still mattered for making the post-season he stunk up the place but now that nothing is on the line he's playing better.

I think there's more to it than that.

He's been getting better protection, the offense & playcalling has been tightened up under Sherm Lewis, he's clearly more comfortable now that he's nearing the end of year 2 in this system, guys like Thomas & Davis have stepped up, the running game has been more effective, etc.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think there's more to it than that.

He's been getting better protection, the offense & playcalling has been tightened up under Sherm Lewis, he's clearly more comfortable now that he's nearing the end of year 2 in this system, guys like Thomas & Davis have stepped up, the running game has been more effective, etc.

I agree that the line has been a bit better (not much but some) and the playcalling is somewhat tighter but in the end he's more comfortable because the pressure is off. Heck, even when the pressure was sort of on vs NO late in the game he found a way to not get it done.

JC is a real conundrum because he puts up decent stats so when you look he appears to be a pretty good QB but when you watch the games you realize he does his best work when the game is, for all intents & purposes, over.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by irish

It is a good article but what it doesnt say is that JC is playing well now that its garbage time. Early in the season when the games still mattered for making the post-season he stunk up the place but now that nothing is on the line he's playing better.

The Saints were in 'garbage time' seeking an unbeaten season? The Raiders went from beating a division leader in the Bengals and the SB Champs at their house to 'garbage time' overnight? The lengths some of you guys go to in order to not give credit when it's due is amazing.

[ashvirtually]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

The Saints were in 'garbage time' seeking an unbeaten season? The Raiders went from beating a division leader in the Bengals and the SB Champs at their house to 'garbage time' overnight? The lengths some of you guys go to in order to not give credit when it's due is amazing.

Amazing? I'd call it laughable.

If I were Campbell, there's no way in Gaea's name I'd stay in this goddamn circus if there were other teams interested in having me.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

The Saints were in 'garbage time' seeking an unbeaten season? The Raiders went from beating a division leader in the Bengals and the SB Champs at their house to 'garbage time' overnight? The lengths some of you guys go to in order to not give credit when it's due is amazing.

Thats what I said, when the pressure was on late in the game vs NO he found a way to not get it done.

Oak played/won those games with Gradkowski. When JaMarcus Russell came in vs the Skins the game was essentailly over. Everybody watching that game knew Oak wasnt a threat to do anything on O with JR at QB.