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[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

ditto.

What qualifies as not done jack though? Just cause he didnt win a Super Bowl without ELway?

This is his record since Elway Left
99- 6-10
00 - 11-5
01- 8-8
02- 9-7
03- 10-6
04- 10-6
05 -13-3
06- 9-7
08- 8-8

Now... I'm more in favor of Gruden as well vs Shannahan... and Shannahan outside of a Conference Title Appaerance in 2005 didnt do much in the playoffs, an the AFC West has traditionally been much weaker then the NFC East.. but I'd certainley take this over what the REdskins had the last 10 years, thats for sure. I certainly dont think he did a bad job at all since Elway left.

Thats 6 winning seasons, 2 .55 seasons and a losing season...

All AFTER Elway.

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

What qualifies as not done jack though? Just cause he didnt win a Super Bowl without ELway?

This is his record since Elway Left
99- 6-10
00 - 11-5
01- 8-8
02- 9-7
03- 10-6
04- 10-6
05 -13-3
06- 9-7
08- 8-8

Now... I'm more in favor of Gruden as well vs Shannahan... and Shannahan outside of a Conference Title Appaerance in 2005 didnt do much in the playoffs, an the AFC West has traditionally been much weaker then the NFC East.. but I'd certainley take this over what the REdskins had the last 10 years, thats for sure. I certainly dont think he did a bad job at all since Elway left.

Thats 6 winning seasons, 2 .55 seasons and a losing season...

All AFTER Elway.

And only 1 playoff victory in 10 years. I agree with you that he's a good coach, just a little overrated. He may be the best coach for us because no one can build an offensive line and solid running game like Shannahan.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

What qualifies as not done jack though? Just cause he didnt win a Super Bowl without ELway?

Come on man...that is a weak argument. There have been plenty of great coaches that haven't won a SB, and Shanahan won 2. So does that mean Belichick is not special cause he never won a SB without Brady? How about Dungy without Manning? Or Holmgren without Favre? We are spoiled in that Gibbs won with 3 different QB's, that is an anomoly!

This is his record since Elway Left
99- 6-10
00 - 11-5
01- 8-8
02- 9-7
03- 10-6
04- 10-6
05 -13-3
06- 9-7
08- 8-8

What you fail to point out is that everyone considered Dan Reeves a great coach, yet Shanahan did something with the Broncos he never could. Also, Elway's years with Shanahan were the most productive of his career:
95- 86.4 rating (5th best of career)
96- 89.2 rating (3rd best of career)
97- 87.5 rating (4th best of career)
98- 93.0 rating (best of career)
So in 16 years, 4 of the best 5 of his career happened to occur during Shanahan's time. You don't think that's a sign of something?

Now... I'm more in favor of Gruden as well vs Shannahan... and Shannahan outside of a Conference Title Appaerance in 2005 didnt do much in the playoffs, an the AFC West has traditionally been much weaker then the NFC East.. but I'd certainley take this over what the REdskins had the last 10 years, thats for sure. I certainly dont think he did a bad job at all since Elway left.

Thats 6 winning seasons, 2 .55 seasons and a losing season...

All AFTER Elway.[/QUOTE]

Shanahan with elway 47-17 .734%. (including going 4-1 without Elway in that span, and 4-0 in 98 without Elway and won the SB that year)
Elway without Shanahan 105-66-1 .613%.

Clearly, Shanahan was the reason Elway overcame his humps.

The argument could easily be made that Shanahan made Elway, not the other way around. I doubt it's a coincidence that Shanahan got Elway 2 SB rings, when Elway had those great teams of the past and couldn't do it.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Come on man...that is a weak argument. There have been plenty of great coaches that haven't won a SB, and Shanahan won 2. So does that mean Belichick is not special cause he never won a SB without Brady? How about Dungy without Manning? Or Holmgren without Favre? We are spoiled in that Gibbs won with 3 different QB's, that is an anomoly!



What you fail to point out is that everyone considered Dan Reeves a great coach, yet Shanahan did something with the Broncos he never could. Also, Elway's years with Shanahan were the most productive of his career:
95- 86.4 rating (5th best of career)
96- 89.2 rating (3rd best of career)
97- 87.5 rating (4th best of career)
98- 93.0 rating (best of career)
So in 16 years, 4 of the best 5 of his career happened to occur during Shanahan's time. You don't think that's a sign of something?

Now... I'm more in favor of Gruden as well vs Shannahan... and Shannahan outside of a Conference Title Appaerance in 2005 didnt do much in the playoffs, an the AFC West has traditionally been much weaker then the NFC East.. but I'd certainley take this over what the REdskins had the last 10 years, thats for sure. I certainly dont think he did a bad job at all since Elway left.

Thats 6 winning seasons, 2 .55 seasons and a losing season...

All AFTER Elway.

Shanahan with elway 47-17 .734%. (including going 4-1 without Elway in that span, and 4-0 in 98 without Elway and won the SB that year)
Elway without Shanahan 105-66-1 .613%.

Clearly, Shanahan was the reason Elway overcame his humps.

The argument could easily be made that Shanahan made Elway, not the other way around. I doubt it's a coincidence that Shanahan got Elway 2 SB rings, when Elway had those great teams of the past and couldn't do it.[/QUOTE]

HAHA, maybe I just didnt say it right, but thats what I was trying to say!!

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

HAHA, maybe I just didnt say it right, but thats what I was trying to say!!

Oh, ok...gotcha.