Report: Shanahan in Talks with Redskins

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Jim Zorn is probably the only person who thinks he has a chance to return in any capacity. The notion that he would remain in a reduced role is absurd. Even if Zorn were open to the idea, there's no way ANY new HC would retain his predecessor on the staff. It would simply create too many awkward situations. The only part about this story that bothers me does deal with the rooney rule. I'm sure the skins will be in compliance with the letter of the rule, but they certainly arent in its spirit. It also bothers me that a minority coach would willingly allow himself to be manipulated by "interviewing" for a position they knew full well they had no chance of getting.

If I were a minority coach in the NFL, i would rather not have a rooney rule at all than one that allowed me to be manipulated and taken advantage of. Its cheap and degrading in my opinion. If the Skins or any team wants to hire a Bill Cowher, Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren, Jon Gruden, etc... then that's their right. but the reality is they're not going to give anyone else - regardless of race - serious consideration. the rooney rule turns decent men into pawns. its a complete sham and needs to be revised or done away with entirely.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Jim Zorn is probably the only person who thinks he has a chance to return in any capacity. The notion that he would remain in a reduced role is absurd. Even if Zorn were open to the idea, there's no way ANY new HC would retain his predecessor on the staff. It would simply create too many awkward situations. The only part about this story that bothers me does deal with the rooney rule. I'm sure the skins will be in compliance with the letter of the rule, but they certainly arent in its spirit. It also bothers me that a minority coach would willingly allow himself to be manipulated by "interviewing" for a position they knew full well they had no chance of getting.

If I were a minority coach in the NFL, i would rather not have a rooney rule at all than one that allowed me to be manipulated and taken advantage of. Its cheap and degrading in my opinion. If the Skins or any team wants to hire a Bill Cowher, Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren, Jon Gruden, etc... then that's their right. but the reality is they're not going to give anyone else - regardless of race - serious consideration. the rooney rule turns decent men into pawns. its a complete sham and needs to be revised or done away with entirely.

I use to think that way about the Rooney Rule but you know what it gives you a chance. It is your 15 minutes of fame with Dan and if you can knock his socks off, you just might change his mind.

Buster Douglas would have never beaten Mike Tyson if he had not been given the chance to fight him.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I use to think that way about the Rooney Rule but you know what it gives you a chance. It is your 15 minutes of fame with Dan and if you can knock his socks off, you just might change his mind.

Buster Douglas would have never beaten Mike Tyson if he had not been given the chance to fight him.

Or as I said, give a minority coach or young executive the opportunity to get the interview experience. For instance, Morocco Brown may not have had a shot at the GM position...or maybe he would have...but he got the chance to interview with an NFL owner about the GM position.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Or as I said, give a minority coach or young executive the opportunity to get the interview experience. For instance, Morocco Brown may not have had a shot at the GM position...or maybe he would have...but he got the chance to interview with an NFL owner about the GM position.

That's one way to look at it; however I look at that as "taking lemons and trying to make lemonade." It doesn't change the underlying truth that discrimination is taking place - minority coaches (or execs) get token interviews while non-minority coaches don't. Or, on the flip side - minority coaches get manipulated when they have no chance of getting a job; where as non-minoirty coaches arent.

I may be naive, but I don't think the rule, as its currently designed, has ever done any good. Mike Tomlin was not a Rooney-Rule Interview. He would have been interviewed regardless of his skin color. However, we all know no one has ever seriously considered hiring Ron Meeks to be their head coach. Yet, he interviews for jobs every year. Its a sham and its degrading.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Jim Zorn is probably the only person who thinks he has a chance to return in any capacity. The notion that he would remain in a reduced role is absurd. Even if Zorn were open to the idea, there's no way ANY new HC would retain his predecessor on the staff. It would simply create too many awkward situations. The only part about this story that bothers me does deal with the rooney rule. I'm sure the skins will be in compliance with the letter of the rule, but they certainly arent in its spirit. It also bothers me that a minority coach would willingly allow himself to be manipulated by "interviewing" for a position they knew full well they had no chance of getting.

If I were a minority coach in the NFL, i would rather not have a rooney rule at all than one that allowed me to be manipulated and taken advantage of. Its cheap and degrading in my opinion. If the Skins or any team wants to hire a Bill Cowher, Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren, Jon Gruden, etc... then that's their right. but the reality is they're not going to give anyone else - regardless of race - serious consideration. the rooney rule turns decent men into pawns. its a complete sham and needs to be revised or done away with entirely.

Well said....I don't think you'll get much of an argument from anyone in regards to your assessment. "The Rooney Rule Is A Joke" Unfortunately teams have to give the impression that they are in total compliance.

[Eknox]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Well said....I don't think you'll get much of an argument from anyone in regards to your assessment. "The Rooney Rule Is A Joke" Unfortunately teams have to give the impression that they are in total compliance.

Are we going to talk football here, or are we going to make ourselves look like racists, because we have a problem with someone getting an opportunity to interview for a job that in otherwise wouldn't have a chance. Why don't you guys worry about football, and let those guys worry about the interview , it's their dime and time not yours. I'd also say if no Rooney Rule there would be no Super Bowl champion Mike Tomlin. So unless you've walked a mile in a minorities shoes YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT! about what a minority goes through just to even get there foot in the door, even though we have a black President. All you guys have done is made yourselves look like racists and that saddens me because I don't see us all in black and white we are Burgundy and Gold....hail!

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by Eknox

Are we going to talk football here, or are we going to make ourselves look like racists, because we have a problem with someone getting an opportunity to interview for a job that in otherwise wouldn't have a chance. Why don't you guys worry about football, and let those guys worry about the interview , it's their dime and time not yours. I'd also say if no Rooney Rule there would be no Super Bowl champion Mike Tomlin. So unless you've walked a mile in a minorities shoes YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT! about what a minority goes through just to even get there foot in the door, even though we have a black President. All you guys have done is made yourselves look like racists and that saddens me because I don't see us all in black and white we are Burgundy and Gold....hail!

Thank Goodness, I been reading through this bullshit all day, and Finally Someone steps up with some since.....Thank You Eknox!!!!!!!

[Eknox]

Originally Posted by Nomad

Thank Goodness, I been reading through this bullshit all day, and Finally Someone steps up with some since.....Thank You Eknox!!!!!!!

you're welcome, this is truly disturbing...

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Eknox

Are we going to talk football here, or are we going to make ourselves look like racists, because we have a problem with someone getting an opportunity to interview for a job that in otherwise wouldn't have a chance. Why don't you guys worry about football, and let those guys worry about the interview , it's their dime and time not yours. I'd also say if no Rooney Rule there would be no Super Bowl champion Mike Tomlin. So unless you've walked a mile in a minorities shoes YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT! about what a minority goes through just to even get there foot in the door, even though we have a black President. All you guys have done is made yourselves look like racists and that saddens me because I don't see us all in black and white we are Burgundy and Gold....hail!

The point I was trying to make has absolutely nothing to do with race, or anything associated with race. It did however speak to the fair and unbiased implementation of a rule that's difficult to police.

No one has to tell me much about the rule or the purpose of it's intent. I was afforded a job in county government as a result of affirmative action. Mike Tomlin, Lovie Smith, Tony Dungy, Marvin Lewis were not hired as a rusult of the Rooney Rule, they were hired because they were well qualified for the position. None of these men had to be hired, regardless of the rule they still could have been passed over.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

The point I was trying to make has absolutely nothing to do with race, or anything associated with race. It did however speak to the fair and unbiased implementation of a rule that's difficult to police.

No one has to tell me much about the rule or the purpose of it's intent. I was afforded a job in county government as a result of affirmative action. Mike Tomlin, Lovie Smith, Tony Dungy, Marvin Lewis were not hired as a rusult of the Rooney Rule, they were hired because they were well qualified for the position. None of these men had to be hired, regardless of the rule they still could have been passed over.

Exactly.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Eknox

I'd also say if no Rooney Rule there would be no Super Bowl champion Mike Tomlin.

You must be kidding.