The rooney rule is it fair< did the redskins follow the rules

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I don't know what kind of world you guys live in to think that there's no favoritism being shown to people that ...
1) you know and are familiar with
and
2) others that are similiar to you that you can relate to, which means skin color and deeper than that - cultural background.

Let's not pretend that these 2 factors don't exist when someone is in charge of hiring someone. And for those who think that factor #1 is not a problem - who do you think you are familiar with- usually people that have the same background and culture as you. And before you think that you hang with and know alot of minorities - ask yourself truthfully the last time you saw a group of blacks, hispanics, or asians together in a group out in public. You probably thought - damn there are alot of ______ (fill in your favorite racial slur). Tell me I'm wrong.

The Rooney Rule helps combats this "subtle" and unspoken prejudice.

I have lived in Manassas, Richmond, Detroit, DC, etc.. I've seen plenty of groups of minorities and no I don't think "damn there are a lot of ______s"

Maybe you think that way but don't accuse people of racism whom you haven't even met.. talk about judging people without merit.

I have what I consider 4 best friends.. one is half arabic and half hispanic, one is about the same color as a 90% cacao chocolate bar, and two are white.

You are as close-minded as these racists that you think that everybody is and seem to be the one insulting other races here, not the other way around, grow up. Sure racism exists, but a lot of discrimination of all types do.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I have lived in Manassas, Richmond, Detroit, DC, etc.. I've seen plenty of groups of minorities and no I don't think "damn there are a lot of ______s"

Maybe you think that way but don't accuse people of racism whom you haven't even met.. talk about judging people without merit.

I have what I consider 4 best friends.. one is half arabic and half hispanic, one is about the same color as a 90% cacao chocolate bar, and two are white.

You are as close-minded as these racists that you think that everybody is and seem to be the one insulting other races here, not the other way around, grow up. Sure racism exists, but a lot of discrimination of all types do.

So since you've seen and noticed that there were groups of minorities, what did you think? Nothing out of the ordinary... you just thought... oh that's normal and that you were among people like you.

You know what I said about the racist slur when referring to a group of minorities might have been a bit extreme for some, but I bet you did notice that it was different than seeing a group of white people together, where it is considered just normal.

And you and your best friends may have the perfect friendship where you properly act and behave, but I have never met 2 best friends that don't offend each other either seriously or joking around - and they are picked on with what they are different about - like their race.

If you tell me your best friends have never joked each other about their race, then I apologize, but you are in the minority (pardon the pun). And one last thing - I am not closed minded - I am just telling you what I have experienced and observed. You may live in lala land where everybody is a different color and part of the same rainbow, but I can't deny what I have seen and heard. Just because you ignore it and don't talk about it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist and it will go away by itself. But also since you are white, you have the luxury of thinking that this is not an issue. Try talking to your non-white friends about this and I think you may discover what you are telling me may be different from what they tell you. But like I said again, if I'm wrong I apologize...

... and another thing, try talking to them about this and look at their body language - if they look down or away or hesitate about talking about it - it may be that they don't feel comfortable in talking about it with you.

[wolfeskins]

i don't like the rooney rule, it may be a well intended rule, but it's wrong to force employers to interview people that they have no intention of hireing, regardless of sex or race.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

i don't like the rooney rule, it may be a well intended rule, but it's wrong to force employers to interview people that they have no intention of hireing, regardless of sex or race.

I respect (but strongly disagree with) this viewpoint but I'd counter with the Steelers had no 'intention' of hiring Mike Tomlin when they interviewed him. The NFL, like all major sports, is very much a good old boys club. When you don't have generations of being in the league it's hard to crack that rotation. Look at how long it took Dungy to get a job after being regarded as 'ready' for years. Same thing with Sherm Lewis, he never got his chance-partially because of the playoff/interview rules at the time-but the rule is primarily about exposing owners to coaches they may not have otherwise encountered.

Please don't buy into (or sell) the naive point of view that people see talent equally and 'other factors' have no bearing on their decisions.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I respect (but strongly disagree with) this viewpoint but I'd counter with the Steelers had no 'intention' of hiring Mike Tomlin when they interviewed him. The NFL, like all major sports, is very much a good old boys club. When you don't have generations of being in the league it's hard to crack that rotation. Look at how long it took Dungy to get a job after being regarded as 'ready' for years. Same thing with Sherm Lewis, he never got his chance-partially because of the playoff/interview rules at the time-but the rule is primarily about exposing owners to coaches they may not have otherwise encountered.

Please don't buy into (or sell) the naive point of view that people see talent equally and 'other factors' have no bearing on their decisions.

i agree with what your saying. i just don't like the idea of anyone telling another who to hire, who to interview, how to run your buisness etc..

as for the line i highlighted, i would say, it's not so much that way anymore. most teams want to be winners, they'll hire the best guy or girl for the job, but they don't need rules telling them who they need to interview. just my personal opinion.

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

i agree with what your saying. i just don't like the idea of anyone telling another who to hire, who to interview, how to run your buisness etc..

That's the same attitude that was perpetuated during the civil rights movement when the Government forced the schools to integrate. No one likes being told what to do, but fortunately we live in a country governed by laws where discrimination isn't tolerated. I don't understand why people exhibit resentment when we attempt to even the playing field. You should channel your disdain towards the fact that very few Black coaches were interviewed prior to the Rooney rule, not the NFL's attempt to rectify it.


I don't like Police officers telling me how fast I can drive, what substances I can smoke, or how loud I can play my music within the confines of my own vehicle. However, I understand that's it's necessary to have police officers to maintain social order. And you should understand that things like the Rooney rule are necessary to ensure equal opportunity.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

That's the same attitude that was perpetuated during the civil rights movement when the Government forced the schools to integrate. No one likes being told what to do, but fortunately we live in a country governed by laws where discrimination isn't tolerated. I don't understand why people exhibit resentment when we attempt to even the playing field. You should channel your disdain towards the fact that very few Black coaches were interviewed prior to the Rooney rule, not the NFL's attempt to rectify it.


I don't like Police officers telling me how fast I can drive, what substances I can smoke, or how loud I can play my music within the confines of my own vehicle. However, I understand that's it's necessary to have police officers to maintain social order. And you should understand that things like the Rooney rule are necessary to ensure equal opportunity.

well public schools should never be aloud to reject someone from going there based on their race or sex, but a private school should have every right to do so as long as they are not accepting any money from the state. i have no problem with an all white,black,male or female private school or buisness. if i'm the owner of a buisness and all i want working for me is russian females, then that should be my right.


all that other nonsense your talking about with the police telling you how fast to drive and whatnot really doesn't apply to this arguement.