Report: Shanahan to DC done deal

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by dmek25

Marty was 8-8. Zorn has won 4 games this season. it might be good enough for you. but i want more

Just like I heard people saying JGibbs1 started out bad, and the owner stayed with him and he won a few SB's for us. I loved the comparison when I heard it cause in reality there's no comparison. ....JGibbs1 went 0-5 re-evaluated his scheme and changed it to work with the players he had. That's the mark of a great HC. He ended 8-8. The following year he had a better season he didn't get worse.

Zorn went 6-2 and then went 2-6 to end up 8-8. He got worse the second half of the year. Most likely due to injuries. If so one would think come this season with everyone healthy he starts out great but we didn't. He got worse.

It took Sherm Lewis to come in and fix what Zorn could not over a 16 game span. I took Sherm Lewis 3 games to get the Skins scoring over 30 points. If Zorn stays he needs to go back to what he does best....coach QB's. Will he take a demotion? I'm betting not. I would love for him to stay, take the demotion, and keep his pay he has now since we will be paying him anyway unless he resigns. Speaking of because he is still under contract for one more year could DS tell Zorn he is demoting him to QB coach? I would imagine Zorn would say no way and resign but if he didn't we would have a good QB coach.

I personally think Holmgren is going to take the Browns job and probably take Zorn with him in some type of capacity to help train him for he future. Just my personal feeling.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Just like I heard people saying JGibbs1 started out bad, and the owner stayed with him and he won a few SB's for us. I loved the comparison when I heard it cause in reality there's no comparison. ....JGibbs1 went 0-5 re-evaluated his scheme and changed it to work with the players he had. That's the mark of a great HC. He ended 8-8. The following year he had a better season he didn't get worse.

Zorn went 6-2 and then went 2-6 to end up 8-8. He got worse the second half of the year. Most likely due to injuries. If so one would think come this season with everyone healthy he starts out great but we didn't. He got worse.

It took Sherm Lewis to come in and fix what Zorn could not over a 16 game span. I took Sherm Lewis 3 games to get the Skins scoring over 30 points. If Zorn stays he needs to go back to what he does best....coach QB's. Will he take a demotion? I'm betting not. I would love for him to stay, take the demotion, and keep his pay he has now since we will be paying him anyway unless he resigns. Speaking of because he is still under contract for one more year could DS tell Zorn he is demoting him to QB coach? I would imagine Zorn would say no way and resign but if he didn't we would have a good QB coach.

I personally think Holmgren is going to take the Browns job and probably take Zorn with him in some type of capacity to help train him for he future. Just my personal feeling.

There were not many who found a great deal of fault in Zorn when his record was 6-2. You stay in or fall out of favor through your won and loss record. I agree with skinsfan69, you win with palyers not coaches. It too easy to lay the blame for losing on one person, if it were that simple it would be oh so easy to fix.

[SBXVII]

[quote=Longtimefan;642407]There were not many who found a great deal of fault in Zorn when his record was 6-2. You stay in or fall out of favor through your won and loss record. I agree with skinsfan69, you win with palyers not coaches. It too easy to lay the blame for losing on one person, if it were that simple it would be oh so easy to fix.[/quote]

Um, It was. I pointed it out. Sherm Lewis came in and watched for one game then had us scoring over 20 points for 2 games the has had us scoring over 30 points the last 2 games. Your right ...you are what your record says you are, and Zorn has shown he could not fix the problem, he could not re-evaluate his scheme to his players abilities, to him it was all about the players not "executing" his plays or game plan right. It's pretty obvious who solved the riddle of how to get the team playing like they are now.

I'm just supprised at all the love of wanting everyone to keep him as HC when he's proven not to get the job done. I heard on the radio the other day that Sherm Lewis is actually calling the run plays to to an extent. He calls the pass plays and when he wants a run play he calls down to Sherm Smith and tells him what type of run play he wants sent in. Basically calling a type of run play that gives JC an option out of if the defense picks up that its a run and gives JC another option...a pass play. I keep hearing how Zorn's plays were limited to simply running the play sent in. Without an option a lot of the plays didn't go anywhere. Now why would it take someone outside of the team to figure this out and fix the problem? Why couldn't Zorn figure this out? I like Zorn and hope if he doesn't work out here perhaps as QB coach (which I doubt happens) he gets another job elsewhere. I think he's a great QB coach.

[Longtimefan]

[quote=SBXVII;642419]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

There were not many who found a great deal of fault in Zorn when his record was 6-2. You stay in or fall out of favor through your won and loss record. I agree with skinsfan69, you win with palyers not coaches. It too easy to lay the blame for losing on one person, if it were that simple it would be oh so easy to fix.[/quote]

Um, It was. I pointed it out. Sherm Lewis came in and watched for one game then had us scoring over 20 points for 2 games the has had us scoring over 30 points the last 2 games. Your right ...you are what your record says you are, and Zorn has shown he could not fix the problem, he could not re-evaluate his scheme to his players abilities, to him it was all about the players not "executing" his plays or game plan right. It's pretty obvious who solved the riddle of how to get the team playing like they are now.

I'm just supprised at all the love of wanting everyone to keep him as HC when he's proven not to get the job done. I heard on the radio the other day that Sherm Lewis is actually calling the run plays to to an extent. He calls the pass plays and when he wants a run play he calls down to Sherm Smith and tells him what type of run play he wants sent in. Basically calling a type of run play that gives JC an option out of if the defense picks up that its a run and gives JC another option...a pass play. I keep hearing how Zorn's plays were limited to simply running the play sent in. Without an option a lot of the plays didn't go anywhere. Now why would it take someone outside of the team to figure this out and fix the problem? Why couldn't Zorn figure this out? I like Zorn and hope if he doesn't work out here perhaps as QB coach (which I doubt happens) he gets another job elsewhere. I think he's a great QB coach.

I have no problem with your assessment but keep in mind along with Sherman Lewis taking over the playcalling, other circumstances changed for the better as well. The line that had been in constant flux began to block better and the QB was not looking at the sky all the time for receiers.

If you're only going to give a rookie coach a year and a day to prove himself, then that's a coach you should not have hired in the first place. That's the best I can say in defense of Zorn. All the weaknesses you point out about Zorn, management should have known when they hired him, he's an inexperienced coach that has never even been a coordinator at any level. The question then becomes, what more could you expect except trial and error? The team cannot blame Zorn, they have only to look in the mirror.

[44Deezel]

[quote=Longtimefan;642422]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I have no problem with your assessment but keep in mind along with Sherman Lewis taking over the playcalling, other circumstances changed for the better as well. The line that had been in constant flux began to block better and the QB was not looking at the sky all the time for receiers.

If you're only going to give a rookie coach a year and a day to prove himself, then that's a coach you should not have hired in the first place. That's the best I can say in defense of Zorn. All the weaknesses you point out about Zorn, management should have known when they hired him, he's an inexperienced coach that has never even been a coordinator at any level. The question then becomes, what more could you expect except trial and error? The team cannot blame Zorn, they have only to look in the mirror.

Before Samuels went down in week 5, the O line was doing fine. What's the excuse for the poor play over the first 4 weeks, which included games against the Lions and Chiefs??? The O line excuse wasn't a valid excuse until after the Panthers game. Zorn? Portis? Campbell? All of the above?

[CultBrennan59]

According to PFT another team has entered the shanahan race and it is a playoff team...I think old man potter (jerry jones) is up to no good...

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

According to PFT another team has entered the shanahan race and it is a playoff team...I think old man potter (jerry jones) is up to no good...

Cowboys are a playoff team? They could wind up 8-8 if they're not careful.

Which would only mean Shanahan is more of a possibility.

[Longtimefan]

[quote=44Deezel;642428]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Before Samuels went down in week 5, the O line was doing fine. What's the excuse for the poor play over the first 4 weeks, which included games against the Lions and Chiefs??? The O line excuse wasn't a valid excuse until after the Panthers game. Zorn? Portis? Campbell? All of the above?

The O-line was not doing fine from the time Randy Thomas went down, it was a mad scramble from that point on. And yes all the above are contributing factors as well.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

....JGibbs1 went 0-5 re-evaluated his scheme and changed it to work with the players he had. That's the mark of a great HC. .

Exactly. Gibbs was a Coryell guy (think Al Saunders for those that don't know) and ended up with a power smash-mouth offense.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Exactly. Gibbs was a Coryell guy (think Al Saunders for those that don't know) and ended up with a power smash-mouth offense.

Nothing can diminish the accomplishments of Joe Gibbs, they stand alone unchallenged by any other Redskins coach.

What seperated Gibbs' 0-5 start from that of Marty Schottenheimer's, Gibbs inherited a much better team. Those three HOF's (always felt Mosley) should have been a fourth contributed greatly to his success.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

What seperated Gibbs' 0-5 start from that of Marty Schottenheimer's, Gibbs inherited a much better team. Those three HOF's (always felt Mosley) should have been a fourth contributed greatly to his success.

He inherited Riggo, Monk and Moseley. Who's the 3rd?

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

He inherited Riggo, Monk and Moseley. Who's the 3rd?

He didn't exactly inherit Darrell Green but he came two years later.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

He didn't exactly inherit Darrell Green but he came two years later.

That's what I thought you would say. Marty inherited a decent team with the exception of QB.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

That's what I thought you would say. Marty inherited a decent team with the exception of QB.

The team Marty inherited from Norv Turner finished with the exact same record Marty did, 8-8.

[Zorn on the 4th of July]

Mysterious candidate? Please be Cowher as head coach and Grimm as OC.