What if Fred started 16 games?

Zerohero · 12-23-2009, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

So if FD started 16 games he would put up... Cooley numbers?

It's funny how quickly we cast guys aside.

Last year Cooley had 1 td, before his injury he wasn't exactly setting the nfl on fire.

I love Cooley but i think part of this team's problems is we have a few fan favorites and it gets in the way of how we run our team. I like Cooley, and only mention the trade if we can get great value.

MTK · 12-23-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Zerohero

Last year Cooley had 1 td, before his injury he wasn't exactly setting the nfl on fire.

I love Cooley but i think part of this team's problems is we have a few fan favorites and it gets in the way of how we run our team. I like Cooley, and only mention the trade if we can get great value.

His 1 TD last year was a bit of a fluke, prior to last year he was averaging nearly 7 per year.

And prior to his injury this year he had 29 catches in 6 starts. That's nearly 5 per game, or a pretty healthy 80 catch season pace.

Hey I'm all for looking into trade options too, I just think it's funny how all of a sudden Davis is everyone's hero and Cooley is on the back burner when really, there is no drastic difference in their level of production.

BigHairedAristocrat · 12-23-2009, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

His 1 TD last year was a bit of a fluke, prior to last year he was averaging nearly 7 per year.

And prior to his injury this year he had 29 catches in 6 starts. That's nearly 5 per game, or a pretty healthy 80 catch season pace.

Hey I'm all for looking into trade options too, I just think it's funny how all of a sudden Davis is everyone's hero and Cooley is on the back burner when really, there is no drastic difference in their level of production.

one would think cooley would garner us more compensation in a trade. his contract is huge; whereas davis is cheap. Cooley has peaked, whereas Davis has tons more upside.

jamf · 12-23-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

one would think cooley would garner us more compensation in a trade. his contract is huge; whereas davis is cheap. Cooley has peaked, whereas Davis has tons more upside.

It's the other way around, Teams want to trade for young cheap guys with lots of potential.

Davis is better trade bait IMO.

mlmdub130 · 12-23-2009, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

His 1 TD last year was a bit of a fluke, prior to last year he was averaging nearly 7 per year.

And prior to his injury this year he had 29 catches in 6 starts. That's nearly 5 per game, or a pretty healthy 80 catch season pace.

Hey I'm all for looking into trade options too, I just think it's funny how all of a sudden Davis is everyone's hero and Cooley is on the back burner when really, there is no drastic difference in their level of production.

thank you

maroonandblack30 · 12-23-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

So if FD started 16 games he would put up... Cooley numbers?

It's funny how quickly we cast guys aside.

Has nothing to do with casting guys aside....its just good business.... if you can get value for 47 you take the picks. Better to have 1 great TE and one or two other potential starters, than 2 great TEs. Take the emotion of losing a fan favorite out of it and its a no brainer.

Kalisto2010 · 12-23-2009, 01:01 AM

This is heartbreaking for me. Cooley is my favorite player on the Skins, my heart is with Cooley, but my head is with Fred Davis.

12thMan · 12-23-2009, 01:18 AM

Thing is it's not a popular thing to talk about 'round these parts. You know, lettin Cooley go and all. But I would have to think, at the very least, it's on the table. Fred Davis is going to be a stud; Stevie Wonder can see that. I think they roll with both guys next year and cut one of them loose the following year for sure. Tight ends just don't make or break your team.

Truth is unless your name is Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Drew Brees, no one is above being traded in the NFL.

bigm29 · 12-23-2009, 01:24 AM

Just out of curiosity how many people would trade Cooley for a 2nd (hopefully a 1st) round pick this offseason?

tryfuhl · 12-23-2009, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bigm29

Just out of curiosity how many people would trade Cooley for a 2nd (hopefully a 1st) round pick this offseason?

1st I say you do it... 2nd you determine where the pick comes from

no matter what happens, no matter how much Davis shines, I'd be sad about Cooley not being on our team.. but it comes down to a lot more than favoritism in this league and the teams that are in it year and and year out show that

tryfuhl · 12-23-2009, 01:33 AM

He's more athletic, he has just as good of hands if not better, and he'll break more tackles. However, Cooley is still the consummate Redskin and he's shown some good moves as well. Cooley right now has a very large contract but with a new coach that might not matter nearly as much. 2TE sets should be very interesting and what's to say we shouldn't put one in the slot every now and then? Or even come out of the backfield? Both of those guys can probably do either and to throw that mix up to the D that we're facing could be to an advantage; I don't see it happening but I could see it working.

mredskins · 12-23-2009, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by tryfuhl

He's more athletic, he has just as good of hands if not better, and he'll break more tackles. However, Cooley is still the consummate Redskin and he's shown some good moves as well. Cooley right now has a very large contract but with a new coach that might not matter nearly as much. 2TE sets should be very interesting and what's to say we shouldn't put one in the slot every now and then? Or even come out of the backfield? Both of those guys can probably do either and to throw that mix up to the D that we're facing could be to an advantage; I don't see it happening but I could see it working.

Doesn't Fred line up in the slot now?

tryfuhl · 12-23-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mredskins

Doesn't Fred line up in the slot now?

He might be; I honestly haven't noticed/paid attention. I know that we did that with Cooley some as well.

maroonandblack30 · 12-23-2009, 09:08 AM

Im a 47 and 86 fan...both are great TEs.... I do think we should trade Cooley for a pick or two, it just makes sense. No team is going to roll with two TE full time, thats just not realistic.

This conversation is another bi product of dumb ass Vinnie's stupidity. The skins didn't NEED Fred Davis!!!! Cooley is a top 10 TE, how many of us would love for the Davis pick to have been a RT?

That being said.....86 > 47 in my opinion.

redsk1 · 12-23-2009, 09:19 AM

It surprises me that all of a sudden many think we should just trade CC. A guy that's proven, works hard, has a great attitude and has many attributes of a "true redskin." Fred Davis has overly impressed me this year and he's got a big time future too. I'm not ready to give up on CC and i too would be excited w/ both of them on the field.

12-23-2009, 01:01 AM	#7
Kalisto2010 Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SF, Bay Area Posts: 392	Re: What if Fred started 16 games? This is heartbreaking for me. Cooley is my favorite player on the Skins, my heart is with Cooley, but my head is with Fred Davis.

12-23-2009, 01:18 AM	#8
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: What if Fred started 16 games? Thing is it's not a popular thing to talk about 'round these parts. You know, lettin Cooley go and all. But I would have to think, at the very least, it's on the table. Fred Davis is going to be a stud; Stevie Wonder can see that. I think they roll with both guys next year and cut one of them loose the following year for sure. Tight ends just don't make or break your team. Truth is unless your name is Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Drew Brees, no one is above being traded in the NFL.

12-23-2009, 01:24 AM	#9
bigm29 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Mt. Laurel, NJ Age: 38 Posts: 353	Re: What if Fred started 16 games? Just out of curiosity how many people would trade Cooley for a 2nd (hopefully a 1st) round pick this offseason? __________________ Hail Redskins!!!

12-23-2009, 01:33 AM	#11
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Age: 42 Posts: 12,514	Re: What if Fred started 16 games? He's more athletic, he has just as good of hands if not better, and he'll break more tackles. However, Cooley is still the consummate Redskin and he's shown some good moves as well. Cooley right now has a very large contract but with a new coach that might not matter nearly as much. 2TE sets should be very interesting and what's to say we shouldn't put one in the slot every now and then? Or even come out of the backfield? Both of those guys can probably do either and to throw that mix up to the D that we're facing could be to an advantage; I don't see it happening but I could see it working.

12-23-2009, 09:08 AM	#14
maroonandblack30 Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 348	Re: What if Fred started 16 games? Im a 47 and 86 fan...both are great TEs.... I do think we should trade Cooley for a pick or two, it just makes sense. No team is going to roll with two TE full time, thats just not realistic. This conversation is another bi product of dumb ass Vinnie's stupidity. The skins didn't NEED Fred Davis!!!! Cooley is a top 10 TE, how many of us would love for the Davis pick to have been a RT? That being said.....86 > 47 in my opinion.

12-23-2009, 09:19 AM	#15
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: What if Fred started 16 games? It surprises me that all of a sudden many think we should just trade CC. A guy that's proven, works hard, has a great attitude and has many attributes of a "true redskin." Fred Davis has overly impressed me this year and he's got a big time future too. I'm not ready to give up on CC and i too would be excited w/ both of them on the field.

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