Return Of Lavar

[offiss]

Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

i have never blaimed brunnel for anything, He took the contract that he was given, it was amazing but we offered it, I blaim the descision makers not brunnel. I also don't blaim brunnel for sucking I blaim Gibbs for not taking him out. I do understand why he didn't take him out but i don't place the blaim on Brunnel

That is the point WHY DIDN'T WE TAKE HIM OUT. Because of his contract, if Brunell was paid like an average QB he would have been pulled a lot sooner than he was, and there is a decent chance that he wouldn't have been named the starter to begin with, do you see how a contract can negativly affect the progress of a team? Do I blame management for those 2 contract's? You got that right! But that doesn't change the fact that he's not remotly worth it. My plan from the start was to not sign Brunell, and I would have never given Lavar anything close to the contract he recieved, how would our team look right now without Lavar's or Brunell's contract's? does anyone really think we wouldn't be head and shoulder's better this year with an additional 100 million to spend on free agent's and draft pick's?

Just because a player get's a big contract doesn't mean he's worth it.

[wolfeskins]

brunnell's contract wasn't the reason he started and was left as the starter for 9 games. the real reason for that is because he beat ramsey out in pre-season and he was joe's hand picked boy. nobody wanted brunnell the way gibbs did.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

brunnell's contract wasn't the reason he started and was left as the starter for 9 games. the real reason for that is because he beat ramsey out in pre-season and he was joe's hand picked boy. nobody wanted brunnell the way gibbs did.

Brunell was 1 pass better than Ramsey in the pre-season a bomb to McCant's for a TD that was the difference, neither one of them did anything so guess what contract took presedent, we all know Gibb's loved Brunell but if you think he wasen't pushing for all he was worth to try and justify Brunell's contract your only fooling yourself, no QB who played as horrible as Brunell would have lasted 9 games unless there was a contract of the magnitude of Brunell's, Brunell's performance in those 9 games were about as bad as I have ever seen.

[CRT3]

Originally Posted by offiss

My plan from the start was to not sign Brunell, and I would have never given Lavar anything close to the contract he recieved, how would our team look right now without Lavar's or Brunell's contract's? does anyone really think we wouldn't be head and shoulder's better this year with an additional 100 million to spend on free agent's and draft pick's?

Just because a player get's a big contract doesn't mean he's worth it.

And who did we have at the time of Lavaars signning at linebacker? Jesse Armstead and Jermiah Trotter. We go rid of old dead wood that was costing us a ton of cash. We spent more cash on the linebackers Arrington 1st then Barrow and Washington. 2 of the 3 were out with injuries and we had back ups step up. They did not know the backups would play above themselves and they did not know that 2 years ago when they resigned Lavaar.

So the question remains would we be a better football team with Lavaar? Character, athletic ability, and dominance as a football player clearly wins. He is better then any other backer out there.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by CRT3

And who did we have at the time of Lavaars signning at linebacker? Jesse Armstead and Jermiah Trotter. We go rid of old dead wood that was costing us a ton of cash. We spent more cash on the linebackers Arrington 1st then Barrow and Washington. 2 of the 3 were out with injuries and we had back ups step up. They did not know the backups would play above themselves and they did not know that 2 years ago when they resigned Lavaar.

So the question remains would we be a better football team with Lavaar? Character, athletic ability, and dominance as a football player clearly wins. He is better then any other backer out there.

Go back to one of my previous post's for the answer on that one, 60 mil would help our need's on offense much more than what Lavar bring's to the table, he's been living off his reputation as a phenomonal athlete coming out of Penn State, we could have a #1 defense next year without Lavar, we won't do much more than we did this year on offense if we don't address our need's, and his contract is not helping, he's a tremendous athlete but a slightly better than average LB who was easily replaced this past year. He's on his way to becoming the Jeff George of LB's only he's much more well liked. I base Lavar on his ability to play the position not his athletic abilities.

By the way who is he better than? On our own team he may not be better than M. Washington, and he certainly doesn't have the football smart's of Pierce, I have to assume you were talking about our LB's, that statement couldn't have been broad enough to include the rest of the NFL.

Take a good look at Sean Taylor now there's a football player, he had a better rookie season than any 1 of Lavar's season's. Taylor is what happen's when you combine athletic ability with football smart's in which Lavar is lacking.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by offiss

Take a good look at Sean Taylor now there's a football player, he had a better rookie season than any 1 of Lavar's season's. Taylor is what happen's when you combine athletic ability with football smart's in which Lavar is lacking.

I really have to disagree, I think Taylor and Arrington are so much alike in their playing styles it's not even funny. Taylor had a good rookie year, better than Arrington's 11 sack season a couple years ago? I don't think so.

They're both very aggressive and instinctive players who are going to make some spectacular plays. They're also both going to commit their share of whiffs on tackles and boneheaded penalties. Both of them are so physically gifted I think they tend to rely on their physical skills more than the mental portion of their game.

I really don't see what's different about the way they both play and approach the game.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I really have to disagree, I think Taylor and Arrington are so much alike in their playing styles it's not even funny. Taylor had a good rookie year, better than Arrington's 11 sack season a couple years ago? I don't think so.

They're both very aggressive and instinctive players who are going to make some spectacular plays. They're also both going to commit their share of whiffs on tackles and boneheaded penalties. Both of them are so physically gifted I think they tend to rely on their physical skills more than the mental portion of their game.

I really don't see what's different about the way they both play and approach the game.

When I wrote that I was thinking about just that the 11 sack's, but he was playing end not LB when he got those sack's and he was in a position where he didn't have to think, Lavar did get 11 sack's but he wasen't a disruptive force like Taylor, as well Taylor isn't going to rack up the sack's he disrupt's the passing game which he effect's from the secondary far greater than Lavar's pass rush, Lavar is not going to outmuscle TE's or tackles, I said it when we drafted him I didn't see an LT in him he will have to beat guy's with speed, you could get more sack's from smaller player's if you put them on the end position they will beat a big tackle with just pure speed, the problem with that is they will run the ball right down your throat, now Gibb's said something that was right on in his talk forum yesterday going to a 3-4 on passing down's and forcing the guard to have to get back and block Lavar now there's the way to use him, I agree with Gibb's he's to fast which will force team's to keep their TE's and back's in the backfield. In order for Lavar to have success he has to be mismatched against RB's I have seen plenty of TE's who have been able to lock him up 1 on 1 that wasen't even thought of with a LB like L.Taylor, unfortuantly we are paying him as if he was.

[CRT3]

Originally Posted by offiss

He's on his way to becoming the Jeff George of LB's only he's much more well liked. I base Lavar on his ability to play the position not his athletic abilities..

What position has he played the last 3 years He has been bounced from part time end on 3rd down, to the SAM, and back to the Weak. So which position are you basing your opion on? JEFF GEORGE, are you seriuosly using him as a comparison to Lavaar? GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK< THAT IS JUST PLAIN STUPID!!!

[/QUOTE]By the way who is he better than? On our own team he may not be better than M. Washington, and he certainly doesn't have the football smart's of Pierce, I have to assume you were talking about our LB's, that statement couldn't have been broad enough to include the rest of the NFL..[/QUOTE]
He is better then Washington and Pierce. Ath the time of his signing the mega contract he clearly was the best. He is a top 5 linebacker in the NFL, and I think you could rate Spikes, Brookings, Lewis, and Urlacher up with him. Grant it they all play different linebacker positions.

[/QUOTE]Take a good look at Sean Taylor now there's a football player, he had a better rookie season than any 1 of Lavar's season's. Taylor is what happen's when you combine athletic ability with football smart's in which Lavar is lacking.[/QUOTE] And he provide how many football smart plays? Did he recieve a few unsportmanlike penalties? Did he get benched during the season. Did he start every game? Did he turn one game around and to enable us to win?

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by CRT3

And who did we have at the time of Lavaars signning at linebacker? Jesse Armstead and Jermiah Trotter. We go rid of old dead wood that was costing us a ton of cash. We spent more cash on the linebackers Arrington 1st then Barrow and Washington. 2 of the 3 were out with injuries and we had back ups step up. They did not know the backups would play above themselves and they did not know that 2 years ago when they resigned Lavaar.

So the question remains would we be a better football team with Lavaar? Character, athletic ability, and dominance as a football player clearly wins. He is better then any other backer out there.

COULDN"T HAVE SAID BETTER MY SELF CRT3!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

COULDN"T HAVE SAID BETTER MY SELF CRT3!

No need to shout

and Daseal I think you're confusing BigSKIN with Bertoskin:

http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.p...0&postcount=93

[CRT3]

Hey he can shout especially when he is praising me. THANKS!!!

Trotter was deadwood. Constantly out of position in this particular scheme that we ran with Lewis then Edwards. He consistenly missed tackles. In fact I would say that Armstead out performed Trotter in both years. In Philly they zone blitz alot more and Trotter seems to be always on the run blitz and pass blitz.