No NHL this year

[skinsfanthru&thru]

[QUOTE=wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

NASCAR will be the 4th major sport...




i don't consider nascar a sport. am i alone in this, i argue with my bro-in-law all the time about this.

I honestly don't see it as a sport but there sure r a lot of people out there who will defend it being deemed a sport very strongly. It's a skill in my opinion but not a sport and there r quite a few other "sports" that fit that category in my opinion.

[NY_Skinsfan]

[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

I honestly don't see it as a sport but there sure r a lot of people out there who will defend it being deemed a sport very strongly. It's a skill in my opinion but not a sport and there r quite a few other "sports" that fit that category in my opinion.

here we go with the skill vs. sport argument again. driving a car is a skill, yes, but that doesn't mean it can't be a sport. if that were the case then hitting a 90 mph fastball is a skill not a sport. tennis, golf and bowling would no longerbe considered a sport.

basically what i am saying is that there are a lot of skills involved in sports so you can't say one is a skill and one is a sport. different skills make up a sport. hitting a curveball, returning a 120 mph serve, hitting a fairway wood to the dead center of a green 200 yards away, kicking a ball with a backward spin around a wall into the top right corner of a goal, a slapshot from outside the blue line into the top left corner of a goal. without any of these skills, we wouldn't have really have much of a sport to talk about.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

[QUOTE=NY_Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

here we go with the skill vs. sport argument again. driving a car is a skill, yes, but that doesn't mean it can't be a sport. if that were the case then hitting a 90 mph fastball is a skill not a sport. tennis, golf and bowling would no longerbe considered a sport.

basically what i am saying is that there are a lot of skills involved in sports so you can't say one is a skill and one is a sport. different skills make up a sport. hitting a curveball, returning a 120 mph serve, hitting a fairway wood to the dead center of a green 200 yards away, kicking a ball with a backward spin around a wall into the top right corner of a goal, a slapshot from outside the blue line into the top left corner of a goal. without any of these skills, we wouldn't have really have much of a sport to talk about.

a lot of the sports u r using in your argument of skill vs sport use a heck of a lot more physical talents than what u wrote. Baseball is not just about hitting a ball cuz there's a heck of a lot of actual running around to do as well. Same thing goes for tennis, hockey, and especially soccer, I mean have u seen how freakin huge pro and olympic size fields r? Golf is the only one I agree with and I don't necessarily consider it a sport either. It's basically great vision and training yourself to have a consistent swing and a strong putting game. Sure they walk around a lot but I hope no one tells me walking is a sport now, it's an activity. The same goes for bowling, which I love and have religiously played for years. It's not a sport but the training of the body to move your body in a precise motion every time. It's a lot harder to do well consistently than some people imagine but its still not as physically demanding as sports like football, basketball, baseball, soccer, and others. And nascar IMO is guys driving around in a circle for a long time really fast. It requires u to have great concentration and some decent endurance and I personally don't understand how it gets deemed a sport by some.
Of course that's just how I feel on the subject and there will always be a discussion and debate similar to this cuz everyone's personal definition isn't 100% like the person next to them.

[JoeRedskin]

[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by NY_Skinsfan

a lot of the sports u r using in your argument of skill vs sport use a heck of a lot more physical talents than what u wrote. Baseball is not just about hitting a ball cuz there's a heck of a lot of actual running around to do as well. Same thing goes for tennis, hockey, and especially soccer, I mean have u seen how freakin huge pro and olympic size fields r? Golf is the only one I agree with and I don't necessarily consider it a sport either. It's basically great vision and training yourself to have a consistent swing and a strong putting game. Sure they walk around a lot but I hope no one tells me walking is a sport now, it's an activity. The same goes for bowling, which I love and have religiously played for years. It's not a sport but the training of the body to move your body in a precise motion every time. It's a lot harder to do well consistently than some people imagine but its still not as physically demanding as sports like football, basketball, baseball, soccer, and others. And nascar IMO is guys driving around in a circle for a long time really fast. It requires u to have great concentration and some decent endurance and I personally don't understand how it gets deemed a sport by some.
Of course that's just how I feel on the subject and there will always be a discussion and debate similar to this cuz everyone's personal definition isn't 100% like the person next to them.

To me the question is not "skill"; it's "does the activity in question rely on physical prowess and can you determine the winner by completely objective means: i.e. who crossed the finish line first, who jumped the highest or who knocked down the most pins (under my definition, bowling is a sport, diving is not). The only need for "judges" is to be sure that the objective measurements are accurate (to review the photo finish in a race and determine who crossed the line first, the distance jumped was accurately measured, etc. - admittedly, some subjectivity can creep into these determination but the intent is to determine accuracy not to render a mainly subjective opinion and use it as the basis for scoring).

Under this criteria, NASCAR is a sport. Driving a race car at top speed for an extended period of time is physically grueling and, to do it safely and well, requires any number of top physical skills.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

well like I said in my other other, this is just something a lot of people have varying personal standards that make the term of sport different for each person. I'm not denying the skill that goes into several of the activities, but I personally just don't view them as full blown sports. Cuz from previous discussions I've had with people about this, their definition would also include activities like chess, darts, pool, and the freakin spelling bee.

But there's nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree on some things

[wolfeskins]

my thinking is very similar to yours skinsfan, i don't think nascar is a sport, the car does most of the work, yes they tinker with it here and there and someone sits behind the steering wheel to steer it and make it stop or go fast but essentially the motor is doing the hard labor. i drive to work everyday, i sometimes have to plan out my course and time it will take me to get there ( strategy ), depending on the weather or traffic conjestion etc...............( track conditions ), sometimes i have to stop along the way for food,drink,fix my jeep.etc.....( pitstop ), sometimes a person will call me to tell me that a cop is shooting radar on a particular road (spotter ). i don't consider me driving to work a sport.

[NY_Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

my thinking is very similar to yours skinsfan, i don't think nascar is a sport, the car does most of the work, yes they tinker with it here and there and someone sits behind the steering wheel to steer it and make it stop or go fast but essentially the motor is doing the hard labor. i drive to work everyday, i sometimes have to plan out my course and time it will take me to get there ( strategy ), depending on the weather or traffic conjestion etc...............( track conditions ), sometimes i have to stop along the way for food,drink,fix my jeep.etc.....( pitstop ), sometimes a person will call me to tell me that a cop is shooting radar on a particular road (spotter ). i don't consider me driving to work a sport.

I suppose you drive to work over a 100 mph then. that's pretty impressive.