Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

These are all games I broke down as well though. I mean, we've reached different conclusions, apparently, but it's the same tape. And while there's plenty of room for disagreement on the topic of this thread, factual falsehoods are unnecessary to back your point.

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http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...-gamblers.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...ing-title.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...ve-review.html

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You'll find plenty of critiques of Campbell's play throughout my work, but neither you or I noticed anything about blitz recognition or pre-snap issues.

Everything you mentioned is along the lines of "Campbell left this throw on the table", "He flat out missed this throw", "Needed this third down conversion, Campbell low and behind". Granted.

You never really mentioned anything about pre-snap read or blitz recognition struggles, and this is because they aren't in anyway pronounced. It's a falsification of the evidence.

These are GREAT tape breakdowns. You absolutely did a fantastic job on them and I thought, at the time, that what I was seeing defended your analysis.

But since we both slowed down the tape breakdowns post-bye, it's not like Campbell has all-of-a-sudden developed issues that weren't there in the first half of the year. His pocket presence is still very spotty, and though he has greatly improved his ball control when he gets drilled, he's still not very sure of himself after a play breaks down. His accuracy has been suspect all year. These are measurable things that we can observe, and I don't think there's any reason to make things up.

Anyway, here's Jaws on Campbell from two weeks ago. I don't think he says anything that we don't already know, but I agree with his bottom line conclusion.

washingtonpost.com

Campbell has struggled since then, but his fundamentals tend to break down when his team is greatly over-matched. There's a very simple solution to this problem that has nothing to do with Jason Campbell, and I hope we throw ALL of our resources at the real problem, independent of what the Redskins choose to do with their quarterback.

My biggest point: Campbell is neither the problem, nor the solution to the problem. I think I remember reading that in your Chiefs review as well, so if I stole it from you, I apologize.

Admittedly, locking on to a receiver could be a presnap issue, but although I believe a trained eye can see a progression in the quarterback, I've never been able to determine if a player is locking on a receiver from the TV feed.

Doesn't mean it isn't happening, it's just that: how would we know? It's easy to see a quarterback look to both sides of the field, then come back to the back, but proving the alternative is far more difficult, and I generally have tried to stay away from it.

In 2007, there was a legitimate belief among most fans where Campbell was locking on Moss an unable to get to the next spot in the progression. However, in two years of breaking down Campbell film, I've never seen him lock on Moss once.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Admittedly, locking on to a receiver could be a presnap issue, but although I believe a trained eye can see a progression in the quarterback, I've never been able to determine if a player is locking on a receiver from the TV feed.

Doesn't mean it isn't happening, it's just that: how would we know? It's easy to see a quarterback look to both sides of the field, then come back to the back, but proving the alternative is far more difficult, and I generally have tried to stay away from it.

In 2007, there was a legitimate belief among most fans where Campbell was locking on Moss an unable to get to the next spot in the progression. However, in two years of breaking down Campbell film, I've never seen him lock on Moss once.

Alright well what about him seeming to stay on one side of the field? If he's using only his eyes to make the reads on the one half he should be fooling some guys, I think that the head movement throws off the coverage, even if on the same side of the field.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Admittedly, locking on to a receiver could be a presnap issue, but although I believe a trained eye can see a progression in the quarterback, I've never been able to determine if a player is locking on a receiver from the TV feed.

Doesn't mean it isn't happening, it's just that: how would we know? It's easy to see a quarterback look to both sides of the field, then come back to the back, but proving the alternative is far more difficult, and I generally have tried to stay away from it.

In 2007, there was a legitimate belief among most fans where Campbell was locking on Moss an unable to get to the next spot in the progression. However, in two years of breaking down Campbell film, I've never seen him lock on Moss once.

I think you are correct. Only cause Moss is usually double teamed. Other teams have figured out that Moss is JC's favorite WR. If you double him you take away 80% of JC's threat. However I think your wrong also.... JC back peddles and follows/locks on to Cooley pretty regularly up until Cooley got hurt. Cooley was JC's fail safe. If Moss was not open he had Cooley. I know it's designed this way but JC never looked elsewhere to other open receivers. After Cooley got hurt JC was forced to use other options in the offense ie; Thomas which is why I think he seemed to come along, ARE who seemed to be getting more balls, and Davis who finally shined.

JC still has trouble looking off the Safeties. It's not hard to see. Tell you what watch a Colts game with Peyton Manning then watch a Redskins game and JC. You'll see the difference. Peyton will look left and at the last second look right and make his designated throw or he will lock on to a receiver and pump the ball to them to entice the Safety then immediatly throw the the other side of the field. These are little techniques I fail to see JC using. Which is why I say he also has trouble with the whole counting his steps back peddling, looking for the rush to avoid and going through his progressions. Some where in there he has to use the little techniques to help get his receivers a little more open.

Just like in golf. You just don't go to the course and pick up a club and swing at a ball. There is alot of variables.... which club do you use, how far do you need to hit it, hand placement on the club, size of the clubs, and are you using good technique in your follow through. JC is having trouble with the whole how hard do I need to throw it, how far do I need to throw it, and his technique in regards to throwing motion. Not to mention he has to read the defense prior to the snap and during the play and count his steps while back peddling.

As others have said I'm just not seeing enough progression out of a 5 year player. I don't care how many years he's been backup or injured. He learns the plays like everyone else, he should know how to read defenses unless the coaching staff has not sat him down and coached him which is a possibility since they can't coach WR's or develope them.