Redskins pick 4th in the draft

[Landry44]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

This may sound crazy but hear me out first. Also this is assuming that we do get Shanahan. I think we should trade the 4th pick for a shutdown corner with NFL starting experience. Someone like a younger version of Asante Samuel.
1) Risk - We absolutely can't afford to waste this pick on a possible bust. If we get a young stud CB who has proven potential and already gone thru the NFL learning curve, we can be set at this position for a while. We reduce the risk of failure by not drafting with this pick. Something about picking in the top 5 scares me.
2) Premium for a good CB - Though OT (and QB) are more glaring needs, it seems simply impossible to ensure that we get a starter with true value at these position. I think CB is one of the positions that is the hardest to find a solid player (next to QB). Drafting a rookie to fill this role later is going to be equally tough and risky. No one knows if these guys will develop coming out of college. Let another team take the risk of developing them and we can take advantage of their labor.
3) Later picks/better scouting - With a lot more picks than we usually have and a real GM (in addition to Shanahan's staff), i feel confident that we can get a starting O-linemen in the later rounds of the draft with one of those picks. It's more likely that we can get one or two starting linemen if we throw more picks rather one high profile one at the problem.
4) From a cap standpoint this may make more sense too. The going rate for a top 5 pick (especially an O-linemen or QB) is irrationally high nowadays. If we are going to throw away those kinda dollars at a player, I want to be sure that he sees the field and performs. By getting a good CB with starting experience, we can ensure that he will see PT at a somewhat reduced cost and we'll be able to chase other pieces with that money.

You sound like you're out of your mind. I completely understand the importance of a shutdown corner. But our team doesn't need a shutdown corner right now. We need offensive linemen. We need a franchise qb. We need lbs. We need breakaway rb. We do not need to address our secondary when they have played pretty solid this year. What we need to do is trade the pick away for more picks.

[Rajmahal33]

Originally Posted by Landry44

You sound like you're out of your mind. I completely understand the importance of a shutdown corner. But our team doesn't need a shutdown corner right now. We need offensive linemen. We need a franchise qb. We need lbs. We need breakaway rb. We do not need to address our secondary when they have played pretty solid this year. What we need to do is trade the pick away for more picks.

In an ideal world u can trade away picks and get value for the extra picks u receive, but its not that easy to find a trading partner who gives you value for that pick. It seems like less and less these days that NFL teams are willing to move into the top 10 to draft guys, b/c of the risk of whether they will adapt to the pro game from college as well as the cap implications if they fail (due to these absurd rookie contracts). Also though I'll agree that offensive linemen are the safest position to take in the top 5, they are still anything but a sure thing. I'm just scared sh*tless of having this pick be a bust. It means too much for our franchise.

[skinsfaninok]

^ that makes no sense lol!!! Who is worth the 4th pick? All the premier corners are older except revis, and the jets won't let him go. This team needs oline or qb with the 4th pick, I doubt we will trade down especially since Bradford should be there. Plus d hall is a solid corner, that we are paying alot of money to.

[Rajmahal33]

I actually like Dominique Rogers-Cromartie, Aqib Talib, Antonio Cromartie, and Kelvin Hayden. Those guys are all pretty young and are going to get better. Even Asante Samuels would be worth a look, though he is getting older at 28 (if we got another player or pick). We may need more compensation to get the value of that pick but I'm just saying it's the least risky and most likely reward potential.

[LandrySlice]

I want Berry damn it!

[Landry44]

Originally Posted by LandrySlice

I want Berry damn it!

Is Berry going to keep our qb from getting killed every other play or open up holes in the running game? If not, then we should either draft Okung or trade for more picks. We need OL more than anything but we also need depth.

[skinsfaninok]

^ none of those guys are worth the 4th pick in any draft. Samuel is great but he's in Philly where they would never trade to a division rival... Sorry but this isn't franchise mode in madden, you can't trade a pick like that for a 29 year old corner .

[Rajmahal33]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

^ none of those guys are worth the 4th pick in any draft. Samuel is great but he's in Philly where they would never trade to a division rival... Sorry but this isn't franchise mode in madden, you can't trade a pick like that for a 29 year old corner .

With the exception of Hayden all of those young guys were taken in the top 20 of their respective drafts. IMHO, these guys have a legit shot of growing into a shutdown corner role. That along with the fact that we'd have to pay them a lot less money (as compared to a #4 pick) to me is worth dropping ~15 spots. I also said that we could try to pick up an extra pick or player to even up the transaction.

[LandrySlice]

Trade Cooley for more picks, and that will address the line. Interesting that the Rutgers OT is already jumping like crazy by Scouts Inc. They claim many OL prospects, so thats good news.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by LandrySlice

Trade Cooley for more picks, and that will address the line. Interesting that the Rutgers OT is already jumping like crazy by Scouts Inc. They claim many OL prospects, so thats good news.

I love the move of trading Cooley for more picks, not sure if that is a very popular move around DC though? I would hate to give him up, but for what ever reason this organization wants to draft a QB in the top 5. If that is the case then we need anouther first round pick to shore up the line a little. No other player on our team garners a 1st round pick, or 2nd for that matter. I can't believe that we have the opportunity to draft the best Olineman in college and we are crapping on that because of Danny's unrelenting desire to get Campbell of the door.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I'm not overly impressed with any of the QBs in this year's draft; however we do need to draft a QB in 2010 or 2011. 2011 could be even "slimmer pickings" than what we have this year, so we might not have much of a choice. There aren't many top tier OTs in this draft either, so taking a QB may wind up being the "smartest" move. I don't like Clausen at all. We'd be better off taking Tebow at #4. I'm indifferent to McCoy. I could live with Bradford. Not really familiar with Pike and Snead.

Drafting Okung with our 1st and then snagging Tebow with our 2nd would be nice. I don't think Tebow will be a great NFL QB, but Shanahan could use him more effectively than most other coaches. ideally, shanahan could work his magic Colt Brennan turn him into a player. I'm not a cult-of-colt member but he's "free."

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I'm not overly impressed with any of the QBs in this year's draft; however we do need to draft a QB in 2010 or 2011. 2011 could be even "slimmer pickings" than what we have this year, so we might not have much of a choice. There aren't many top tier OTs in this draft either, so taking a QB may wind up being the "smartest" move. I don't like Clausen at all. We'd be better off taking Tebow at #4. I'm indifferent to McCoy. I could live with Bradford. Not really familiar with Pike and Snead.

Drafting Okung with our 1st and then snagging Tebow with our 2nd would be nice. I don't think Tebow will be a great NFL QB, but Shanahan could use him more effectively than most other coaches. ideally, shanahan could work his magic Colt Brennan turn him into a player. I'm not a cult-of-colt member but he's "free."

You don't like Clausen? But you'd take Tebow at #4? Please explain both.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You don't like Clausen? But you'd take Tebow at #4? Please explain both.

I would be seriously pissed if we drafted Tebow at 4 - i was just dramatically emphasizing my dislike for Clausen. While I think has the physical and mental skills to to eventually be a good NFL QB, i don't think he's NFL-ready right now. However, my main distaste for him is less tangible and has more to do with his personality - or atleast what i've seen of it. he has the persona of a cocky (not the same as confident), smart-ass kid who thinks too much of himself. I heard his interview with vinny cerrato and he just seemed like a total douche - he didn't seem like someone who would earn the respect of the locker room. To me, he just doesnt have the "it" factor. i don't see him as a "leader." Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy and Tim Tebow do. they have the persona that commands respect. While there is a high-risk, high reward factor with all of those guys (less so with Tebow), Bradford and McCoy are guys I can see being "manning/brady-esque" in their ability to make guys around them better, take the team on their shoulders, and win games. A guy with Claussen's attitude will never achieve that. I'd rather not gamble on any of these guys in the 1st round, but Claussens completely off my "board."

i mean, look at the guy.

File:102007-JimmyClausen.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

don't you just want to smack him?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I would be seriously pissed if we drafted Tebow at 4 - i was just dramatically emphasizing my dislike for Clausen. While I think has the physical and mental skills to to eventually be a good NFL QB, i don't think he's NFL-ready right now. However, my main distaste for him is less tangible and has more to do with his personality - or atleast what i've seen of it. he has the persona of a cocky (not the same as confident), smart-ass kid who thinks too much of himself. I heard his interview with vinny cerrato and he just seemed like a total douche - he didn't seem like someone who would earn the respect of the locker room. To me, he just doesnt have the "it" factor. i don't see him as a "leader." Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy and Tim Tebow do. they have the persona that commands respect. While there is a high-risk, high reward factor with all of those guys (less so with Tebow), Bradford and McCoy are guys I can see being "manning/brady-esque" in their ability to make guys around them better, take the team on their shoulders, and win games. A guy with Claussen's attitude will never achieve that. I'd rather not gamble on any of these guys in the 1st round, but Claussens completely off my "board."

i mean, look at the guy.

File:102007-JimmyClausen.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

don't you just want to smack him?

Fair enough. You are not the first to call out Clausen as smug and arrogant.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I would be seriously pissed if we drafted Tebow at 4 - i was just dramatically emphasizing my dislike for Clausen. While I think has the physical and mental skills to to eventually be a good NFL QB, i don't think he's NFL-ready right now. However, my main distaste for him is less tangible and has more to do with his personality - or atleast what i've seen of it. he has the persona of a cocky (not the same as confident), smart-ass kid who thinks too much of himself. I heard his interview with vinny cerrato and he just seemed like a total douche - he didn't seem like someone who would earn the respect of the locker room. To me, he just doesnt have the "it" factor. i don't see him as a "leader." Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy and Tim Tebow do. they have the persona that commands respect. While there is a high-risk, high reward factor with all of those guys (less so with Tebow), Bradford and McCoy are guys I can see being "manning/brady-esque" in their ability to make guys around them better, take the team on their shoulders, and win games. A guy with Claussen's attitude will never achieve that. I'd rather not gamble on any of these guys in the 1st round, but Claussens completely off my "board."

i mean, look at the guy.

File:102007-JimmyClausen.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

don't you just want to smack him?

I agree with most of what you have to say. I wouldn't be totally pissed with McCoy in the first or Tebow in the second. Clausen just looks like a douche to me.