Redskins pick 4th in the draft

[Landry44]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

This may sound crazy but hear me out first. Also this is assuming that we do get Shanahan. I think we should trade the 4th pick for a shutdown corner with NFL starting experience. Someone like a younger version of Asante Samuel.
1) Risk - We absolutely can't afford to waste this pick on a possible bust. If we get a young stud CB who has proven potential and already gone thru the NFL learning curve, we can be set at this position for a while. We reduce the risk of failure by not drafting with this pick. Something about picking in the top 5 scares me.
2) Premium for a good CB - Though OT (and QB) are more glaring needs, it seems simply impossible to ensure that we get a starter with true value at these position. I think CB is one of the positions that is the hardest to find a solid player (next to QB). Drafting a rookie to fill this role later is going to be equally tough and risky. No one knows if these guys will develop coming out of college. Let another team take the risk of developing them and we can take advantage of their labor.
3) Later picks/better scouting - With a lot more picks than we usually have and a real GM (in addition to Shanahan's staff), i feel confident that we can get a starting O-linemen in the later rounds of the draft with one of those picks. It's more likely that we can get one or two starting linemen if we throw more picks rather one high profile one at the problem.
4) From a cap standpoint this may make more sense too. The going rate for a top 5 pick (especially an O-linemen or QB) is irrationally high nowadays. If we are going to throw away those kinda dollars at a player, I want to be sure that he sees the field and performs. By getting a good CB with starting experience, we can ensure that he will see PT at a somewhat reduced cost and we'll be able to chase other pieces with that money.

You sound like you're out of your mind. I completely understand the importance of a shutdown corner. But our team doesn't need a shutdown corner right now. We need offensive linemen. We need a franchise qb. We need lbs. We need breakaway rb. We do not need to address our secondary when they have played pretty solid this year. What we need to do is trade the pick away for more picks.

[Rajmahal33]

Originally Posted by Landry44

You sound like you're out of your mind. I completely understand the importance of a shutdown corner. But our team doesn't need a shutdown corner right now. We need offensive linemen. We need a franchise qb. We need lbs. We need breakaway rb. We do not need to address our secondary when they have played pretty solid this year. What we need to do is trade the pick away for more picks.

In an ideal world u can trade away picks and get value for the extra picks u receive, but its not that easy to find a trading partner who gives you value for that pick. It seems like less and less these days that NFL teams are willing to move into the top 10 to draft guys, b/c of the risk of whether they will adapt to the pro game from college as well as the cap implications if they fail (due to these absurd rookie contracts). Also though I'll agree that offensive linemen are the safest position to take in the top 5, they are still anything but a sure thing. I'm just scared sh*tless of having this pick be a bust. It means too much for our franchise.

[Landry44]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

In an ideal world u can trade away picks and get value for the extra picks u receive, but its not that easy to find a trading partner who gives you value for that pick. It seems like less and less these days that NFL teams are willing to move into the top 10 to draft guys, b/c of the risk of whether they will adapt to the pro game from college as well as the cap implications if they fail (due to these absurd rookie contracts). Also though I'll agree that offensive linemen are the safest position to take in the top 5, they are still anything but a sure thing. I'm just scared sh*tless of having this pick be a bust. It means too much for our franchise.

A few years ago, I told guys on ESPN Redskins message board, that trading our picks for veterans was bad way to build a team. They looked at it as not being a big deal. They felt as long as you got quality guys it didn't matter if we drafted them or acquired them in free agency. Three years later, these same guys now realize that they were wrong. The draft is very important. It's about time us as fans start showing some patience and let guys develop.

If you look at it, our team is old. Right now, we need to get younger on offense and defense. We need to build depth in every position, not just the OL. That is what the draft is for. I can't see why anybody would think it's a good idea to trade away the 4th pick to acquire a vet that you're not sure is going to work out. The best thing for us to do is to trade down. We need more picks.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Landry44

A few years ago, I told guys on ESPN Redskins message board, that trading our picks for veterans was bad way to build a team. They looked at it as not being a big deal. They felt as long as you got quality guys it didn't matter if we drafted them or acquired them in free agency. Three years later, these same guys now realize that they were wrong. The draft is very important. It's about time us as fans start showing some patience and let guys develop.

If you look at it, our team is old. Right now, we need to get younger on offense and defense. We need to build depth in every position, not just the OL. That is what the draft is for. I can't see why anybody would think it's a good idea to trade away the 4th pick to acquire a vet that you're not sure is going to work out. The best thing for us to do is to trade down. We need more picks.

I hear what you're saying about the draft. We have started drafting players even under Cerrato's watch. My biggest beef with him was he neglected the O-line.

I don't share your view about the team bing old. Yes there are a few older players on the roster but nothing compared to the way it was last year and years before. Most of the older guys will be "retiring" this year anyway, IE: Thomas, Samuels, Wynn, Daniels, etc.

Some of the guys on the roster will be traded, cut, or let go. We have good young talent on this team at almost every position except the O-line, which has none.

We could upgrade in a few areas, but we do have young to medium aged players like Golston, Horton, Blades, Doughty, McIntosh, and Cartwright. They may not blow your socks off but they get the job done if used properly. This isn't taken into account guys that are coming into their own, IE: Orakpo, Jarmon, Davis, and Thomas.

Also, the team isn't going to have to learn a totally different offense.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

I hear what you're saying about the draft. We have started drafting players even under Cerrato's watch. My biggest beef with him was he neglected the O-line.

I don't share your view about the team bing old. Yes there are a few older players on the roster but nothing compared to the way it was last year and years before. Most of the older guys will be "retiring" this year anyway, IE: Thomas, Samuels, Wynn, Daniels, etc.

Some of the guys on the roster will be traded, cut, or let go. We have good young talent on this team at almost every position except the O-line, which has none.

We could upgrade in a few areas, but we do have young to medium aged players like Golston, Horton, Blades, Doughty, McIntosh, and Cartwright. They may not blow your socks off but they get the job done if used properly. This isn't taken into account guys that are coming into their own, IE: Orakpo, Jarmon, Davis, and Thomas.

Also, the team isn't going to have to learn a totally different offense.

Hey Trample - that is an almost optimistic quote from you, don't get too carried away just yet.

just messing around, it's really good to see this team apparently moving toward the light.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Hey Trample - that is an almost optimistic quote from you, don't get too carried away just yet.

just messing around, it's really good to see this team apparently moving toward the light.

New year buddy - new year!