Redskins pick 4th in the draft

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I'm not overly impressed with any of the QBs in this year's draft; however we do need to draft a QB in 2010 or 2011. 2011 could be even "slimmer pickings" than what we have this year, so we might not have much of a choice. There aren't many top tier OTs in this draft either, so taking a QB may wind up being the "smartest" move. I don't like Clausen at all. We'd be better off taking Tebow at #4. I'm indifferent to McCoy. I could live with Bradford. Not really familiar with Pike and Snead.

Drafting Okung with our 1st and then snagging Tebow with our 2nd would be nice. I don't think Tebow will be a great NFL QB, but Shanahan could use him more effectively than most other coaches. ideally, shanahan could work his magic Colt Brennan turn him into a player. I'm not a cult-of-colt member but he's "free."

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I'm not overly impressed with any of the QBs in this year's draft; however we do need to draft a QB in 2010 or 2011. 2011 could be even "slimmer pickings" than what we have this year, so we might not have much of a choice. There aren't many top tier OTs in this draft either, so taking a QB may wind up being the "smartest" move. I don't like Clausen at all. We'd be better off taking Tebow at #4. I'm indifferent to McCoy. I could live with Bradford. Not really familiar with Pike and Snead.

Drafting Okung with our 1st and then snagging Tebow with our 2nd would be nice. I don't think Tebow will be a great NFL QB, but Shanahan could use him more effectively than most other coaches. ideally, shanahan could work his magic Colt Brennan turn him into a player. I'm not a cult-of-colt member but he's "free."

You don't like Clausen? But you'd take Tebow at #4? Please explain both.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You don't like Clausen? But you'd take Tebow at #4? Please explain both.

I would be seriously pissed if we drafted Tebow at 4 - i was just dramatically emphasizing my dislike for Clausen. While I think has the physical and mental skills to to eventually be a good NFL QB, i don't think he's NFL-ready right now. However, my main distaste for him is less tangible and has more to do with his personality - or atleast what i've seen of it. he has the persona of a cocky (not the same as confident), smart-ass kid who thinks too much of himself. I heard his interview with vinny cerrato and he just seemed like a total douche - he didn't seem like someone who would earn the respect of the locker room. To me, he just doesnt have the "it" factor. i don't see him as a "leader." Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy and Tim Tebow do. they have the persona that commands respect. While there is a high-risk, high reward factor with all of those guys (less so with Tebow), Bradford and McCoy are guys I can see being "manning/brady-esque" in their ability to make guys around them better, take the team on their shoulders, and win games. A guy with Claussen's attitude will never achieve that. I'd rather not gamble on any of these guys in the 1st round, but Claussens completely off my "board."

i mean, look at the guy.

File:102007-JimmyClausen.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

don't you just want to smack him?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I would be seriously pissed if we drafted Tebow at 4 - i was just dramatically emphasizing my dislike for Clausen. While I think has the physical and mental skills to to eventually be a good NFL QB, i don't think he's NFL-ready right now. However, my main distaste for him is less tangible and has more to do with his personality - or atleast what i've seen of it. he has the persona of a cocky (not the same as confident), smart-ass kid who thinks too much of himself. I heard his interview with vinny cerrato and he just seemed like a total douche - he didn't seem like someone who would earn the respect of the locker room. To me, he just doesnt have the "it" factor. i don't see him as a "leader." Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy and Tim Tebow do. they have the persona that commands respect. While there is a high-risk, high reward factor with all of those guys (less so with Tebow), Bradford and McCoy are guys I can see being "manning/brady-esque" in their ability to make guys around them better, take the team on their shoulders, and win games. A guy with Claussen's attitude will never achieve that. I'd rather not gamble on any of these guys in the 1st round, but Claussens completely off my "board."

i mean, look at the guy.

File:102007-JimmyClausen.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

don't you just want to smack him?

Fair enough. You are not the first to call out Clausen as smug and arrogant.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I would be seriously pissed if we drafted Tebow at 4 - i was just dramatically emphasizing my dislike for Clausen. While I think has the physical and mental skills to to eventually be a good NFL QB, i don't think he's NFL-ready right now. However, my main distaste for him is less tangible and has more to do with his personality - or atleast what i've seen of it. he has the persona of a cocky (not the same as confident), smart-ass kid who thinks too much of himself. I heard his interview with vinny cerrato and he just seemed like a total douche - he didn't seem like someone who would earn the respect of the locker room. To me, he just doesnt have the "it" factor. i don't see him as a "leader." Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy and Tim Tebow do. they have the persona that commands respect. While there is a high-risk, high reward factor with all of those guys (less so with Tebow), Bradford and McCoy are guys I can see being "manning/brady-esque" in their ability to make guys around them better, take the team on their shoulders, and win games. A guy with Claussen's attitude will never achieve that. I'd rather not gamble on any of these guys in the 1st round, but Claussens completely off my "board."

i mean, look at the guy.

File:102007-JimmyClausen.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

don't you just want to smack him?

I agree with most of what you have to say. I wouldn't be totally pissed with McCoy in the first or Tebow in the second. Clausen just looks like a douche to me.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

While I think has the physical and mental skills to to eventually be a good NFL QB, i don't think he's NFL-ready right now. However, my main distaste for him is less tangible and has more to do with his personality - or atleast what i've seen of it. he has the persona of a cocky (not the same as confident), smart-ass kid who thinks too much of himself. I heard his interview with vinny cerrato and he just seemed like a total douche - he didn't seem like someone who would earn the respect of the locker room. To me, he just doesnt have the "it" factor. i don't see him as a "leader." Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy and Tim Tebow do. they have the persona that commands respect. While there is a high-risk, high reward factor with all of those guys (less so with Tebow), Bradford and McCoy are guys I can see being "manning/brady-esque" in their ability to make guys around them better, take the team on their shoulders, and win games. A guy with Claussen's attitude will never achieve that. I'd rather not gamble on any of these guys in the 1st round, but Claussens completely off my "board."

You may want to re-evaluate your thoughts on the QBs you mentioned. Clausen did step into a leadership role this year. ND would've been much worse if not for Clausen. McCoy (did you see the Big 12 Championship) and Tebow are system QBs that won't have NFL success. Bradford is debatable, but not too many OKL QBs have fared well in the NFL, again, system QBs.

If Clausen's there, I take him. If he's gone and Bradford's there, I trade down or go with the best LT.

From Todd McShay:

3. Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame junior. Gets away with putting the ball up for grabs too often. However, he has enough size, accuracy and arm strength to develop into a solid starter in the NFL. He has shown toughness and leadership this season, which were previously question marks on Clausen's scouting report. Experience in a pro-style offense and solid mechanics will only help him on draft weekend. Projects as a first-round selection.
4. Colt McCoy, Texas senior. Love his toughness and leadership skills. He shows touch and timing as a short-to-intermediate passer. But no quarterback in (Division I-A) has a lower percentage of his completions travel beyond 5 yards. That reeks of a system QB that might struggle to transition to the NFL. In addition, I have major concerns about his deep accuracy. He throws off-balance too much for my liking. I can live with drafting him as a developmental project in the second round, but first round is too rich for my blood.
5. Tim Tebow, Florida senior. He's obviously a sensational competitor and the type of guy you want on your team. But where do you play Tim Tebow? I will be shocked if he's ever a fulltime starting QB. We've never seen him catch or block, so it's tough to draft him as an H-back in the first couple of rounds. Sure, the Wildcat package is a possibility, but he's not very fast or elusive, and that's only a part-time role. Tebow will probably be taken in round 1, but I would not draft him before round 3.

[Big C]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I'm not overly impressed with any of the QBs in this year's draft; however we do need to draft a QB in 2010 or 2011. 2011 could be even "slimmer pickings" than what we have this year, so we might not have much of a choice. There aren't many top tier OTs in this draft either, so taking a QB may wind up being the "smartest" move. I don't like Clausen at all. We'd be better off taking Tebow at #4. I'm indifferent to McCoy. I could live with Bradford. Not really familiar with Pike and Snead.

Drafting Okung with our 1st and then snagging Tebow with our 2nd would be nice. I don't think Tebow will be a great NFL QB, but Shanahan could use him more effectively than most other coaches. ideally, shanahan could work his magic Colt Brennan turn him into a player. I'm not a cult-of-colt member but he's "free."

bradford- had all day to throw in college, coming off huge shoulder injury, im very wary about him.

clausen- most starting experience in a pro-style offense, started from day one with a pretty bad nd team his first 2 years. i like his potential.

tebow- hell of a leader, really long throwing motion, but i really do think he can be a good pro qb, just not at #4

pike- played in a very qb friendly syetem, look at what collaros did when pike was out. im wary about his true ability, i would not be pleased with drafting him.

snead- i dont get why everyone has/had a hard on for him. he was ok last year, and was average to crap this year.

mccoy- i dont like how he projects to the nfl. maybe worth a shot in the 3rd round but i wouldnt take him any higher than that. good leadership and intangibles.

if you want a sleeper qb maybe later in the draft here are my picks

max hall, byu- very accurate, pro-style system at byu. smart qb, just lacks in arm strength. maybe grab him late.

thad lewis, duke- has been one of the top acc qbs for quite a while. played with a pretty bad supporting cast all these years yet put up good numbers. late round sleeper.

riley skinner, wake forest- 4 year starter, extremely accurate, played with a questionable supporting cast. has some mobility as well. not typical pro-size which hurts him.