Report: Shanahan to DC done deal

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Shanahan:



Cowher:



I don't get the facination of Cowher over Shanahan. Their records are similar?

During play offs Cowher has a .75% and Shanahan has a .625%. So Cowher also played more games. roughly about 10 more games during the regular season and 8 more in play off situations. Cowher has 8 more games to work with in the play offs he should have a better % then Shanahan. During regular season Cohwer had a .615% and Shanahan had a .650%. Cowher had like 10 more games. He should have a better % but didn't during the regular season.

Shanahan has won 3 SB's


Cowher won 1 SB


Shanahan was in 5 championship games in which they won:


Cowher was in 2 championship games:


I love all the fluff for Cowher but I really don't see that the difference is all that great but if you ask me Shanahan has more playoffs and SB's. Am I missing something? One would think you go with the best coach, the coach that has a better chance of taking you to the playoffs, one that has been there more often, and the one that has won more? But to grasp at anything to be able to play Cowher as being the better HC people say Shanahan only did it with a pro bowl QB or a Hall of Fame QB. Nice. I hope you guys can come up with a better arguement then that. Dan Marino is a Hall of Fame QB and he has not won a SB. So I guess all of his coach's sucked.

I'm warming to the idea of Shanahan. I'm atleast giving it the idea it will work. As opposed to Zorn which I was unsure about and a lot of people were all excited about cause he was supposed to be the no name up and commer. The next JG's. Yeah.

Cowher has more playoff games to work with in the scenario because he actuall WON playoff games and could ummm... whats the word?... ADVANCE in the playoffs. Shanahan had just as many "opportunities" yet he didn't capitalize on them. Cowher got BETTER as his career progressed. Shanahan got worse.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Cowher has more playoff games to work with in the scenario because he actuall WON playoff games and could ummm... whats the word?... ADVANCE in the playoffs. Shanahan had just as many "opportunities" yet he didn't capitalize on them.

Again maybe I'm missing something. Cowher had about 10 more games across the board. He should have had more chances. But I guess your talking about winning the season and making it to the Championship game.... Hmmm Shanahan has won more? That means Cowher basically out of all the times he supposedly went he only won 2? He sounds like the Cowboys right now. Been to the play offs many of times but can't get past the first round. I'd rather have a HC who can get past the Championship round.

I think it's funny. I wanted Shottenheimer and every said no he sucks he can't get past the Championship round. But you'll take Cowher who can't simply cause he offers more chances? Shottenheimer offered more chances also but he supposedly sucked.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Again maybe I'm missing something. Cowher had about 10 more games across the board. He should have had more chances. But I guess your talking about winning the season and making it to the Championship game.... Hmmm Shanahan has won more? That means Cowher basically out of all the times he supposedly went he only won 2? He sounds like the Cowboys right now. Been to the play offs many of times but can't get past the first round. I'd rather have a HC who can get past the Championship round.

I think it's funny. I wanted Shottenheimer and every said no he sucks he can't get past the Championship round. But you'll take Cowher who can't simply cause he offers more chances? Shottenheimer offered more chances also but he supposedly sucked.

you are missing something. The 10 more games accross the board is the result of one extra season of coaching... resulting in 1 additional potential season for a playoff appearance.

As i stated over and over again, cowhers teams not only made the playoffs more times than shanahan (66% of the time vs 47%), but when his teams made the playoffs, they actually won games. shanahan didnt. there's an even greater disparity if you look at just the last 3, 5 and 10 years. Shanahan had most of his success early in his career. cowher had more success recently. its a "what have you done for me lately" league and cowhers done MUCH more lately. Both are better than Zorn, but Cowher is immensely better than Shanahan.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

but Cowher is immensely better than Shanahan.

i think statements like this, or "its not even debateable that cowher is better than shanahan" come off as ignorant.

[Lotus]

Personally I would prefer Cowher to Shanahan. But to claim that there is a wide gap between them is problematic. There are good arguments for both.

My preference soon becomes irrelevant, anyway.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

i think statements like this, or "its not even debateable that cowher is better than shanahan" come off as ignorant.

touche'

(how do i get that cool accent mark thingie to appear over the e? wait. does that make me more ignorant that i don't already know the answer?)

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

you are missing something. The 10 more games accross the board is the result of one extra season of coaching... resulting in 1 additional potential season for a playoff appearance.

As i stated over and over again, cowhers teams not only made the playoffs more times than shanahan (66% of the time vs 47%), but when his teams made the playoffs, they actually won games. shanahan didnt. there's an even greater disparity if you look at just the last 3, 5 and 10 years. Shanahan had most of his success early in his career. cowher had more success recently. its a "what have you done for me lately" league and cowhers done MUCH more lately. Both are better than Zorn, but Cowher is immensely better than Shanahan.

I see what your getting at but I still wouldn't say "immensely" better. As much as it's a "what have you done for me lately" it's also a "prove your worth" league. In other words Shanahan has gotten to and won more championships and SB's vs. Cowher. I don't think it matters if it was 10yrs ago or 4yrs ago. Everyone was excited about JG2 cause he was a proven commodity and has gotten to the big house. I'd say both Cowher and Shanahan are proven commodities but Shanahan has gotten to the big house more often not simply had a chance and didn't make it.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

you are missing something. The 10 more games accross the board is the result of one extra season of coaching... resulting in 1 additional potential season for a playoff appearance.

As i stated over and over again, cowhers teams not only made the playoffs more times than shanahan (66% of the time vs 47%), but when his teams made the playoffs, they actually won games. shanahan didnt. there's an even greater disparity if you look at just the last 3, 5 and 10 years. Shanahan had most of his success early in his career. cowher had more success recently. its a "what have you done for me lately" league and cowhers done MUCH more lately. Both are better than Zorn, but Cowher is immensely better than Shanahan.

Dude, Shanahan was 8-5 in the playoffs. Again, he won 8 games in the playoffs.

You cannot say Shanahan didn't win in the playoffs.

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

"Cowher is immensely better than Shanahan."

Once again -- check the trophy case. Shanahan: 2, Cowher: 1

Advantage: Shanahan.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Dude, Shanahan was 8-5 in the playoffs. Again, he won 8 games in the playoffs.

You cannot say Shanahan didn't win in the playoffs.



Once again -- check the trophy case. Shanahan: 2, Cowher: 1

Advantage: Shanahan.

Not to be a dick, well maybe, but you all forget Shanahan was a part of 3 SB's. He won 2 as a HC, 1 while he was the OC in Denver. I don't know about you but I count it. He was an intricate part of helping the team win. Instead of being the QB coach.

So to me it's 3 SB's to 1 SB. Unless I missed Cowher winning a few more as a coordinator somewhere?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Not to be a dick, well maybe, but you all forget Shanahan was a part of 3 SB's. He won 2 as a HC, 1 while he was the OC in Denver. I don't know about you but I count it. He was an intricate part of helping the team win. Instead of being the QB coach.

So to me it's 3 SB's to 1 SB. Unless I missed Cowher winning a few more as a coordinator somewhere?

I can go along with that. Though I think the debate centers around the comparisons of Cowher and Shanahan as head coach.

Look, neither of these guys are perfect. Both of them have some dents in their armor just like anyone else. I just couldn't disagree more with BHA who thinks that Cowher is far and away better than Shanny.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I can go along with that. Though I think the debate centers around the comparisons of Cowher and Shanahan as head coach.

Look, neither of these guys are perfect. Both of them have some dents in their armor just like anyone else. I just couldn't disagree more with BHA who thinks that Cowher is far and away better than Shanny.

Seriously, people want what's LITERALLY not out there. We hear that someone took too long to win one, one won too long ago, one didn't win enough, etc.

How many guys out there with multiple SB victories in the past 5 years are there? One.. and he's definitely not available.

[RedskinMike]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Not to be a dick, well maybe, but you all forget Shanahan was a part of 3 SB's. He won 2 as a HC, 1 while he was the OC in Denver. I don't know about you but I count it. He was an intricate part of helping the team win. Instead of being the QB coach.

So to me it's 3 SB's to 1 SB. Unless I missed Cowher winning a few more as a coordinator somewhere?

Not Denver, San Fran

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Not to be a dick, well maybe, but you all forget Shanahan was a part of 3 SB's. He won 2 as a HC, 1 while he was the OC in Denver. I don't know about you but I count it. He was an intricate part of helping the team win. Instead of being the QB coach.

So to me it's 3 SB's to 1 SB. Unless I missed Cowher winning a few more as a coordinator somewhere?

You mean OC of the S.F 49er's right?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Nomad

You mean OC of the S.F 49er's right?

Something like that. Still he was apart of 3 SB's. I again forget how many Cowher was apart of?

Oh well who the "F" cares Shanahan is the man and we either embrace him or live misserably for the next 5yrs.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Cowher has more playoff games to work with in the scenario because he actuall WON playoff games and could ummm... whats the word?... ADVANCE in the playoffs. Shanahan had just as many "opportunities" yet he didn't capitalize on them. Cowher got BETTER as his career progressed. Shanahan got worse.

Cowher must have been very special to the Rooney family it took him what 15 years to win a Super Bowl. Most coaches don't get that long and only have 1 Super Bowl Ring & 2 AFC Championships.