Jason Campbells response to Portis

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Buster

warriorzpath and either Portis himself, or possibly someone with "Big Hair".

Are you able to edit it now and make it a public poll?

You've been on Campbell's sack all season long. Until he's part of the solution, campbell's part of the problem - a big part of the problem because of the role he needs to play on the team.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

You've been on Campbell's sack all season long. Until he's part of the solution, campbell's part of the problem - a big part of the problem because of the role he needs to play on the team.

Way to bring some maturity to the discussion.

Look at his numbers. Watch some game tapes. Campbell did extremely well for a QB with zero protection. I'm not saying he's our future or will be the next great QB, but his play earned him a shot to stick around and play behind a real offensive line at least for another year or two to see if his progress will lead to success for the team if he's able to play with some help. The emergence of Davis, Thomas and even Kelly later in the season can be attributed partly to Campbell. We just need to see what he can do with blocking and a running game. Without either of those, our offense actually looked respectable later in the season, scoring 113 in the first 8 and 153 in the last 8 (average brought down by Dallas games with 6 total in 2 games).

It's Shanahan's choice, but in my opinion he's earned his spot for next season, or at least a chance to win it in camp.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

You've been on Campbell's sack all season long. Until he's part of the solution, campbell's part of the problem - a big part of the problem because of the role he needs to play on the team.

A big part of the problem is the lack of talent that this football team has failed to put around players on offense, especially at the trenches.

Leadership is important but each player has its own type of leadership. Honestly, with people like Portis around and with the fact that the ownership did not want him, it would have been very difficult for Campbell to be the vocal leader people want him to be. And honestly, he would have looked like a moron if he was like that and we still had a 4-12 record.

I find it funny that you and Portis seemed to be the only people with an issue on Campbell's leadership, yet it appears that a number of players in the locker room back their QB, what does that tell you about leadership?

And I believe you are being simple minded in regards to blaming the deficiencies of this team on leadership. Jake Delhomme has always been portrayed as a very vocal and passionate QB, yet he played like crap and he's going to be on the bench next season. QBs like Eli Manning and Joe Flacco are not mouthing around their leadership, yet they've found success.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

A big part of the problem is the lack of talent that this football team has failed to put around players on offense, especially at the trenches.

Leadership is important but each player has its own type of leadership. Honestly, with people like Portis around and with the fact that the ownership did not want him, it would have been very difficult for Campbell to be the vocal leader people want him to be. And honestly, he would have looked like a moron if he was like that and we still had a 4-12 record.

I find it funny that you and Portis seemed to be the only people with an issue on Campbell's leadership, yet it appears that a number of players in the locker room back their QB, what does that tell you about leadership?

And I believe you are being simple minded in regards to blaming the deficiencies of this team on leadership. Jake Delhomme has always been portrayed as a very vocal and passionate QB, yet he played like crap and he's going to be on the bench next season. QBs like Eli Manning and Joe Flacco are not mouthing around their leadership, yet they've found success.

I don't understand why the whole team sucks and should be fired, but Campbell gets a pass cause the whole team sucks and that's why he isn't doing well a lot of the time and he just needs another chance.

I just can't understand this mindset. I'm telling all of you Campbell supporters - you guys need some help. It's almost like a sickness or addiction or something.

[CrazyCanuck]

I sided with JC and am also tired of Portis' whinings. That being said CP was right on.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I don't understand why the whole team sucks and should be fired, but Campbell gets a pass cause the whole team sucks and that's why he isn't doing well a lot of the time and he just needs another chance.

I just can't understand this mindset. I'm telling all of you Campbell supporters - you guys need some help. It's almost like a sickness or addiction or something.

I don't think Campbell or anyone gets a pass, I just find it laughable that you are saying that the team sucks because Campbell didn't have any leadership.

I also find it laughable with the notion that just by changing the QB things will turn around. We're not Minnesota, that had all the tools in place for the team that they had, and all they had to do is put in an old but effective QB.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I don't understand why the whole team sucks and should be fired, but Campbell gets a pass cause the whole team sucks and that's why he isn't doing well a lot of the time and he just needs another chance.

I just can't understand this mindset. I'm telling all of you Campbell supporters - you guys need some help. It's almost like a sickness or addiction or something.

Put as simply as possible, a lot of us spend a lot of free time trying to figure out where the problems on this team lie through the analysis of such tools as stats and game tape (even the flawed TV feed), and these people have come to a whole bunch of conclusions on where the problems lie. Others do not do this and it really does show in their posts.

There are people here who break down game film who feel that Campbell should not be brought back. Others feel he should be brought back, but under different circumstances. Both positions are pretty defensible, although I think sometimes the discussion can stray towards points where there is no supporting evidence (i.e. leadership).

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Put as simply as possible, a lot of us spend a lot of free time trying to figure out where the problems on this team lie through the analysis of such tools as stats and game tape (even the flawed TV feed), and these people have come to a whole bunch of conclusions on where the problems lie. Others do not do this and it really does show in their posts.

There are people here who break down game film who feel that Campbell should not be brought back. Others feel he should be brought back, but under different circumstances. Both positions are pretty defensible, although I think sometimes the discussion can stray towards points where there is no supporting evidence (i.e. leadership).

I don't know, I think there's some supporting evidence for a lack of leadership in what is being said in the media -- with all the backstabbing going on, the way things were run and handled, and just simply the opinion of others made public.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I don't know, I think there's some supporting evidence for a lack of leadership in what is being said in the media -- with all the backstabbing going on, the way things were run and handled, and just simply the opinion of others made public.

Yeah, that's not evidence one way or another. It's being filtered through three or four channels, and is being written to tell a story.

Even if it was evidence, I'm not sure what conclusions could be drawn from it.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Yeah, that's not evidence one way or another. It's being filtered through three or four channels, and is being written to tell a story.

Even if it was evidence, I'm not sure what conclusions could be drawn from it.

This isn't a courtroom where there's "hard" evidence.

And the fact of the matter is - that most of this is coming straight from the players and coaches involved. And even it is filtered - there's no one denying that what is being quoted was not accurate.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

A big part of the problem is the lack of talent that this football team has failed to put around players on offense, especially at the trenches.

Leadership is important but each player has its own type of leadership. Honestly, with people like Portis around and with the fact that the ownership did not want him, it would have been very difficult for Campbell to be the vocal leader people want him to be. And honestly, he would have looked like a moron if he was like that and we still had a 4-12 record.

I find it funny that you and Portis seemed to be the only people with an issue on Campbell's leadership, yet it appears that a number of players in the locker room back their QB, what does that tell you about leadership?

And I believe you are being simple minded in regards to blaming the deficiencies of this team on leadership. Jake Delhomme has always been portrayed as a very vocal and passionate QB, yet he played like crap and he's going to be on the bench next season. QBs like Eli Manning and Joe Flacco are not mouthing around their leadership, yet they've found success.

Eli was slammed by the media his first few seasons for not being a "fiery leader". Campbell's work ethic and courage on the field are leadership enough. I hope that he's given the chance to start for us next year, because with improved protection, I still believe that he will make significant progress toward becoming a top-10 QB.