Coaching Staff update

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

almost 20 years ago we brought him in.. he should def be the bottom bitch by now

Butters? Is that you?

[CRedskinsRule]

From the DCPSR site, here is the whole coaching staff. I added their wikipedia link if they had one. I know each one has been discussed at the time it was announced, but what about as a whole staff. Who are you guys most excited about, who worries you the most?

HEAD COACH.............Mike Shanahan
OFFENSIVE COORD....Kyle Shanahan
OFFENSIVE LINE........Chris Foerster
RUNNING BACKS........Bobby Turner
WIDE RECEIVERS.......Keenan McCardell
TIGHT ENDS...............Jon Embree
QUARTERBACKS.........Matt LaFleur
OFFEN ASSISTANT......Sean McVey
DEFENSIVE COORD.....Jim Haslett
SECONDARY...............Bob Slowick
SAFETIES...................Steven Jackson
LINEBACKERS.............Lou Spanos
DEFENSIVE LINE.........Jacob Burney
SPECIAL TEAMS..........Danny Smith
DEFENSIVE ASST........Kirk Olivadotti

Offensively, I am really excited to see KS in charge of our offense. His numbers at Houston are great, and I think coming into the NFC East he will bring us back to a level of respectability we haven't seen in a long time.
Defensively, if Lou Spanos can bring that AFC North/Pittsburgh linebacker play to the Skins that would be Excellent.

My concerns would be Foerster as the line coach, and the Slowick/Jackson defensive backfield set up.

[MTK]

Solid staff all around. Good mix of experience and youth. I honestly don't have any major concerns right now, I'd rather wait to see how they come together before I judge where the strengths/weaknesses are. I will say one thing, I love how this current staff looks on paper compared to what we had under Zorn.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

HEAD COACH.............Mike Shanahan - Significant upgrade over Zorn.

OFFENSIVE COORD....Kyle Shanahan - Significant upgrade. Best OC we've had in a long long time.

OFFENSIVE LINE........Chris Foerster - Definitely a significant downgrade from Buges. He appears to have been our 3rd or 4th choice for the position. His lines have never had that great of success to my knowledge.

RUNNING BACKS........Bobby Turner - Very solid hire. Definite upgrade.

WIDE RECEIVERS.......Keenan McCardell - Why? He's unproven. he's replacing one of the worst assistant coaches on our former staff, but who's to say he's an upgrade over Hixon? I hope he was hired because Shanahan really felt he was the best man for the job, and not because he's all we could get. considering how long it took to fill the position, i'm not optomistic about our receivers this year.

TIGHT ENDS...............Jon Embree - Meh.

QUARTERBACKS.........Matt LaFleur - I was hopeful Meidt would get the job, but LaFleur has experience with Shanny and he shares the name of Sawyer's alter ego on Lost, so i'll give this move a thumbs up.

OFFEN ASSISTANT......Sean McVey - Who?

DEFENSIVE COORD.....Jim Haslett - Hate the hire. Of all the rumored replacements to Blache, he was the worst in my opinion. he's never had continued success as a DC, but perhaps he was able to convince Shanahan that he never was given the proper personnel.

SECONDARY...............Bob Slowick - We all knew he was coming. I'd have rather kept Grey, but that might not have been a realistic option.

SAFETIES...................Steven Jackson - why do we have a secondary coach and a safeties coach again?

LINEBACKERS.............Lou Spanos - love it, especially if we're switching to a 3-4. if we're sticking with a 4-3, then i'd rather have not demoted Oli.

DEFENSIVE LINE.........Jacob Burney - An upgrade for sure

SPECIAL TEAMS..........Danny Smith - very pleased he was retained

DEFENSIVE ASST........Kirk Olivadotti - very very glad we were able to retain him on staff.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

HEAD COACH.............Mike Shanahan - Significant upgrade over Zorn.

OFFENSIVE COORD....Kyle Shanahan - Significant upgrade. Best OC we've had in a long long time.

OFFENSIVE LINE........Chris Foerster - Definitely a significant downgrade from Buges. He appears to have been our 3rd or 4th choice for the position. His lines have never had that great of success to my knowledge.

RUNNING BACKS........Bobby Turner - Very solid hire. Definite upgrade.

WIDE RECEIVERS.......Keenan McCardell - Why? He's unproven. he's replacing one of the worst assistant coaches on our former staff, but who's to say he's an upgrade over Hixon? I hope he was hired because Shanahan really felt he was the best man for the job, and not because he's all we could get. considering how long it took to fill the position, i'm not optomistic about our receivers this year.

TIGHT ENDS...............Jon Embree - Meh.

QUARTERBACKS.........Matt LaFleur - I was hopeful Meidt would get the job, but LaFleur has experience with Shanny and he shares the name of Sawyer's alter ego on Lost, so i'll give this move a thumbs up.

OFFEN ASSISTANT......Sean McVey - Who?

DEFENSIVE COORD.....Jim Haslett - Hate the hire. Of all the rumored replacements to Blache, he was the worst in my opinion. he's never had continued success as a DC, but perhaps he was able to convince Shanahan that he never was given the proper personnel.

SECONDARY...............Bob Slowick - We all knew he was coming. I'd have rather kept Grey, but that might not have been a realistic option.

SAFETIES...................Steven Jackson - why do we have a secondary coach and a safeties coach again?

LINEBACKERS.............Lou Spanos - love it, especially if we're switching to a 3-4. if we're sticking with a 4-3, then i'd rather have not demoted Oli.

DEFENSIVE LINE.........Jacob Burney - An upgrade for sure

SPECIAL TEAMS..........Danny Smith - very pleased he was retained

DEFENSIVE ASST........Kirk Olivadotti - very very glad we were able to retain him on staff.

So much for the "wait and see" attitude.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

So much for the "wait and see" attitude.

you're response to my post makes no sense. any time the team makes any sort of move, people are going to have opinions on it. do you feel we should all "wait and see" without having any feelings about any moves the skins ever make? if she skins signed terrell owens to a 8 year, 100MM contract, should we not have an opinion and just "wait and see" what happens? if the skins traded a 7th round pick to indy for peyton manning, should we surpress our excitement and take a "wait and see approach?"

if we all waited 2 years after everything the skins did to express an opinion, this would be a very very boring place, dont you agree?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

you're response to my post makes no sense. any time the team makes any sort of move, people are going to have opinions on it. do you feel we should all "wait and see" without having any feelings about any moves the skins ever make? if she skins signed terrell owens to a 8 year, 100MM contract, should we not have an opinion and just "wait and see" what happens? if the skins traded a 7th round pick to indy for peyton manning, should we surpress our excitement and take a "wait and see approach?"

if we all waited 2 years after everything the skins did to express an opinion, this would be a very very boring place, dont you agree?

well in the case of individual players you pretty much know what you're bringing to the table

some coaches do great with what their FO's give them and then suck it up elsewhere, some do the opposite

like a team that largely ignores the O-Line (whomever that might be).. you're like damn their o-line coach must SUCK! but then you get say a LB coach fed pro-bowlers and you assume he's the best in the league, etc

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

HEAD COACH.............Mike Shanahan - Significant upgrade over Zorn.

OFFENSIVE COORD....Kyle Shanahan - Significant upgrade. Best OC we've had in a long long time.

OFFENSIVE LINE........Chris Foerster - Definitely a significant downgrade from Buges. He appears to have been our 3rd or 4th choice for the position. His lines have never had that great of success to my knowledge.

RUNNING BACKS........Bobby Turner - Very solid hire. Definite upgrade.

WIDE RECEIVERS.......Keenan McCardell - Why? He's unproven. he's replacing one of the worst assistant coaches on our former staff, but who's to say he's an upgrade over Hixon? I hope he was hired because Shanahan really felt he was the best man for the job, and not because he's all we could get. considering how long it took to fill the position, i'm not optomistic about our receivers this year.

TIGHT ENDS...............Jon Embree - Meh.

QUARTERBACKS.........Matt LaFleur - I was hopeful Meidt would get the job, but LaFleur has experience with Shanny and he shares the name of Sawyer's alter ego on Lost, so i'll give this move a thumbs up.

OFFEN ASSISTANT......Sean McVey - Who?

DEFENSIVE COORD.....Jim Haslett - Hate the hire. Of all the rumored replacements to Blache, he was the worst in my opinion. he's never had continued success as a DC, but perhaps he was able to convince Shanahan that he never was given the proper personnel.

SECONDARY...............Bob Slowick - We all knew he was coming. I'd have rather kept Grey, but that might not have been a realistic option.

SAFETIES...................Steven Jackson - why do we have a secondary coach and a safeties coach again?

LINEBACKERS.............Lou Spanos - love it, especially if we're switching to a 3-4. if we're sticking with a 4-3, then i'd rather have not demoted Oli.

DEFENSIVE LINE.........Jacob Burney - An upgrade for sure

SPECIAL TEAMS..........Danny Smith - very pleased he was retained

DEFENSIVE ASST........Kirk Olivadotti - very very glad we were able to retain him on staff.

Buges meant a great deal to this organization over the years. But the last few years his lines were not good and a lack of talent is just part of that equation. His units in recent years appeared to be poorly coached.

It's not certain that Foerster will be better than Buges but it's not certain that he will be worse, either.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Buges meant a great deal to this organization over the years. But the last few years his lines were not good and a lack of talent is just part of that equation. His units in recent years appeared to be poorly coached.

It's not certain that Foerster will be better than Buges but it's not certain that he will be worse, either.

nothing is certain, but bugel is without a doubt one of the top offensive line coaches in the history of the game - pretty much anyone other than him would be a downgrade of some sort. i know next to nothing about foerster, except for what i said - he's got some big shoes to fill, his lines have historically been unimpressive, and he most certainly wasnt our first (or second) choice. thats not to say he won't end up being a great coach for us, but my expectations are low.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

nothing is certain, but bugel is without a doubt one of the top offensive line coaches in the history of the game - pretty much anyone other than him would be a downgrade of some sort. i know next to nothing about foerster, except for what i said - he's got some big shoes to fill, his lines have historically been unimpressive, and he most certainly wasnt our first (or second) choice. thats not to say he won't end up being a great coach for us, but my expectations are low.

Buges was a great coach but personally I got the feeling that he was teaching an antiquated system. Grimm used the same system but evolved it while with Pittsburg. I didn't think Grimm even used the Zone blocking method but I recently read some where that the HC of the Cardinals talking about their OL and it's zone blocking scheme. Then I remembered people talking about Pittsburg's zone blocking being one of the best.

Anyway Buges was a great coach, the system worked great in the 80's and into the 90's. Also Buges taught "Man to Man" blocking. I'm not saying he had no clue but his forte was man to man. No different then some OL coach's are zone blocking specialists but struggle teaching man to man.

[MTK]

I don't think Buges forgot how to coach these last few years. I honestly can't look at the talent level we've had coupled with the age/injuries and expect any better results.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I don't think Buges forgot how to coach these last few years. I honestly can't look at the talent level we've had coupled with the age/injuries and expect any better results.

The right guard situation this year was a poorly coached joke though, but that was probably less Bugel being schizophrenic, and more an inconsistency in who was actually making the decisions.

[SBXVII]

As much as I was let down by the McCardell hire I guess we will be alright. The Skins have atleast 3 coach's that used to be WR coach's in the past.

Kyle Shanahan: In 2006, Shanahan was hired by Gary Kubiak to serve as wide receivers coach for the Houston Texans.

Matt Lafleur: LaFleur worked with the wide receivers in his first season in Houston. That year, Andre Johnson led the NFL with 115 catches and 1,575 receiving yards. In addition, fellow receiver Kevin Walter chipped in 60 catches for 899 yards and eight touchdowns.

Jon Embree: Prior to his stint in Kansas City, Embree served as the assistant head coach/tight ends (2004-2005) and assistant head coach/wide receivers (2003) at UCLA.

Sean McVay: During his time in Tampa Bay, McVay worked closely with wide receiver Antonio Bryant, who recorded career-highs in receptions (83), receiving yards (1,248) and touchdowns (7) en route to winning The Sporting News Comeback Player of the Year Award.
The Tuskers finished a perfect 6-0 before losing in the UFL’s inaugural championship game. He worked as the Tuskers quality control/wide receivers coach last season after working with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as an offensive assistant in 2008.

I guess they have enough people to help McCardell with the WR's if needed. Plenty of coach's with expierence actually coaching WR's and with proven track records. So I guess McCardell is the Rookie coach in training.

[SmootSmack]

I've been away so I'm not sure if this was mentioned but Stan Hixon is the new WR coach for the Bills

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I've been away so I'm not sure if this was mentioned but Stan Hixon is the new WR coach for the Bills

Good for Hixon, not that Buffalo is a hot bed of talent but they do have two high quality WR's.

Interesting that it seems like our coaches are getting calls and jobs, mostly the same or demotions, but still they are getting jobs around the league.