Defending the Danny?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Problem is that his best efforts more often than not hurt the organization...no one is saying he doesn't want to win.. but newsflash, how many owners are there that don't want to win so the whole "he really wants to win" argument is bogus.

Take Lloyd + Archuleta deals for example...how did those help the Redskins in any way? answer, they did not and hurt the organization deeply (still paying salary), no defense of Snyder will be tolerated by me...

Thankfully this is where I blame Vinny. I doubt DS sat in his cubby with a chubby and said Vinny I want this person. Go get them. To me it seems more that Vinny thought "Oh we need a WR lets go get Lloyd. Oh we need a Safety lets get Archie" and DS said do we really need them and Vinny said yes we have holes. So DS brought them in. It screams of Vinny when you hear that Vinny told Schottenheimer that DS maybe listening to him in preseason but during the regular season DS will be listening to him while in the box upstairs. It screamed of Vinny losing control of the power he had with or over DS. Then Marty fires him. At seasons end Marty wanted more control and DS got scared off by it and said no, so Marty walked. DS brought back the only person who he befriended and could trust to handle the contracts and team.... Vinny. If Vinny wasn't pulling all the strings he definitly was an enabler.

I'm glad Vinny's gone. I think Allen is a no BS type of guy. I think Shanahan is a no BS type of guy and treats all players equally. No favorites. I think DS realized the team has changed players in and out with out success, theyve traded HC's in and out with out success, The only thing that has not been changed has been the GM spot and owners spot. DS is not going to sell the team. It's a cash cow. He's making money. So the only thing that could be done was change GM's. In this situation not only has the GM been changed for fresh ideas to filter through the team but a new HC that has been to the big dance and knows what it takes. A HC that does not have the college to NFL questions, or the new kid on the block untested unproven OC or position coach.

I don't think anyone 2 yrs ago came out and said "hey DS and VC are doing it right they are picking up a no name QB coach to lead this team." I think most of us if not all had questions and wondered if it was going to work out. In this situation we know Shanahan worked out in Denver. His scheme works.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

[/B]....To me it seems more that Vinny thought "Oh we need a WR lets go get Lloyd. Oh we need a Safety lets get Archie" and DS said do we really need them and Vinny said yes we have holes. So DS brought them in.....

Blame for Lloyd, Arch and ARE falls on Gibbs. He approved the moves. However even more blame for those is on Al Saunders (Lloyd & ARE) and G. Williams (Arch). All DS & VC did is go get the players the Team President & HC told them to get.

There are several reasons for why things failed in the past here. Ultimately Snyder takes the blame because he's the primary owner, but prior to Gibbs departure, very few of these mistakes were actually of DS or VC's doing. They take blame because they pulled the trigger but they had bad "little birds in their ear" (cough, cough Pepper Rodgers comes to mind).

Going forward, based on the poll and responses, for the most part people are about 90+% on board with Shanahan and Allen. If things wind up going South, I think anyone who supported these moves refrain from DS bashing (this isn't directed at you, just a general statement).

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

very few of these mistakes were actually of DS or VC's doing. They take blame because they pulled the trigger but they had bad "little birds in their ear" (cough, cough Pepper Rodgers comes to mind).

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[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Giantone

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