Haslett to accept Defensive Coordinator

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I guess Chucky would disagree

Redskins Insider - Gruden praises Shanahan's ability to adjust to personnel

To me it is simple: you can either select the best scheme and try to find people who fit it, or you can try to find the best scheme that fits the people you have. Both are valid, but only one allows you the freedom to implement the best scheme possible (unless you get lucky and the guys you have also happen to fit the best scheme). I'm not saying it's easy, or Shanahan will/should be able to just go get great guys to fit a scheme, but I think it should be a long-term goal of ours. If that's not our long-term strategy, then what is? Trying to find a scheme that fits our players?

If we do the best we can with who we have, and it's still mediocre, I'm sure people won't be saying, "Oh that Mike Shanahan, he's so good at adjusting his schemes to fit personnel."

In any case, I don't think Gruden is advocating an adjust-only approach. I'm sure he understands the value of implementing a good scheme and finding the right guys for it.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Haynesworth is not the only player on this team. It's unlikely that anyone would be able to make a scheme to match *everyone's* talents. If AH doesn't want to do what he's told, he can just fuck off -- he doesn't run this team. I get the feeling people would like to see our defense fit AH's talents, and they just don't care about anyone else, or the final product.

Also, the whole idea about adjusting schemes to fit personnel is kinda bogus to me. What if you have a QB that can't throw for shit? You don't just run the ball all the time, you find a QB that can throw. In any case, our focus should be to implement the best schemes, and we should find players who fit those schemes. If we can't find them now, then we might not switch schemes immediately, but our long term goal should be to move towards those schemes which are most effective.

Are you Greg Blache? The best coaches in the game fit schemes to match their players talents. Not the other way around. It's what we've lacked here the last two years.

And I don't want them to just cater to AH's desires. I tend to think that maxmizing the use of your most dominant player is probably the best way to improve. Let's face it. AH being used properly makes an average defense good. A good defense great. Our defense in a lot of ways just needs some tweaks here and there scheme-wise and in the talent department to get to dominant level.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Are you Greg Blache? The best coaches in the game fit schemes to match their players talents. Not the other way around. It's what we've lacked here the last two years.

I agree that schemes should be tailored to match the players' talents, but I do not agree that the best coaches do not find players to fit their schemes (as you imply when you say, "Not the other way around.") Do you really believe the best coaches do not care about finding players to execute their schemes?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I agree that schemes should be tailored to match the players' talents, but I do not agree that the best coaches do not find players to fit their schemes (as you imply when you say, "Not the other way around.") Do you really believe the best coaches do not care about finding players to execute their schemes?

You obviously have to do both. You have to work with what you've got, and find guys you feel are a good fit for what you do.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

You obviously have to do both. You have to work with what you've got, and find guys you feel are a good fit for what you do.

Well, obviously.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I agree that schemes should be tailored to match the players' talents, but I do not agree that the best coaches do not find players to fit their schemes (as you imply when you say, "Not the other way around.") Do you really believe the best coaches do not care about finding players to execute their schemes?

they're not exclusive of each other.. but you can only do so much in one year

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

they're not exclusive of each other.. but you can only do so much in one year

I agree. Good thing we have more than 1 year. That's the main problem with the skins and its fans: impatience. Here I am making an argument about long-term philosophy and all you can think about is 1 year.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Also, the whole idea about adjusting schemes to fit personnel is kinda bogus to me. What if you have a QB that can't throw for shit? You don't just run the ball all the time, you find a QB that can throw. In any case, our focus should be to implement the best schemes, and we should find players who fit those schemes. If we can't find them now, then we might not switch schemes immediately, but our long term goal should be to move towards those schemes which are most effective.

lol you've got to be kidding

you can't rebuild your whole roster in a season, this isn't Madden

if you have a QB that can't throw certain balls well, you let him throw the ones that he can then you look into getting somebody who can

like I said, you can't get every player that fits the scheme perfectly overnight, so to not adjust based on what you have would be purely idiotic

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

lol you've got to be kidding

you can't rebuild your whole roster in a season, this isn't Madden

if you have a QB that can't throw certain balls well, you let him throw the ones that he can then you look into getting somebody who can

like I said, you can't get every player that fits the scheme perfectly overnight, so to not adjust based on what you have would be purely idiotic

Seems like you missed this part:
If we can't find them now, then we might not switch schemes immediately, but our long term goal should be to move towards those schemes which are most effective.

[skinsnut]

Guys that think Blache sucks so bad...read this and compare to Haslett.
I know he rubbed people wrong this year...but the guy does not suck...
I mentioned on another thread that there are only 9 active defensive coordinators with teams that rank better...Zimmer was one of them...."statistically"

Haslett doesn't seem to match up to Blache.
I sure hope past perfomance is not an indicator of future performance.
If it is...this defense should rank around 15 or so.

Gray's record was good but declined over the years...I wasn't sold on him either...especially due to his coaching performance of the secondary...he certainly does not deserve a promotion based on the secondary's decline in performance.

It is possible that Haslett will improve the D a bit...but not likely...to me, this is just swaping a d coordinator for new blood's sake...no one can reasonably argue that this hire was an upgrade...Crennel or Zimmer could be argued....but that is it.

Greg Blache

[MTK]

No Blache doesn't suck but a change was obviously needed.

By the way the poll results suck, that's why I usually don't toss in a "on the fence" option.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

No Blache doesn't suck but a change was obviously needed.

By the way the poll results suck, that's why I usually don't toss in a "on the fence" option.

He may have been a little gruff and set in his ways, but "suck" would be an unfair way to characterize him.

[12thMan]

Sometimes I think we place way too much emphasis on defensive rankings. Where this guy's defense was ranked, how well he did with that defense. The Redskins have consistently been a top 10 defense for the past few years. Personally, I'd take a top 15 defense with more red zone stops and less big plays over 30 yards.

That has been my biggest bone to pick with Blache's and Gregg Williams defense; we gave up momentum killing plays at the most inopportune times. If Haslett can correct that one area, I don't care if we sacrafice a few slots in total yards, but end up with a defense that plays consistently well from start to finish.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Sometimes I think we place way too much emphasis on defensive rankings. Where this guy's defense was ranked, how well he did with that defense. The Redskins have consistently been a top 10 defense for the past few years. Personally, I'd take a top 15 defense with more red zone stops and less big plays over 30 yards.

That has been my biggest bone to pick with Blache's and Gregg Williams defense; we gave up momentum killing plays at the most inopportune times. If Haslett can correct that one area, I don't care if we sacrafice a few slots in total yards, but end up with a defense that plays consistently well from start to finish.

I agree....Plus the way defensive stats are kept, the findings are often misleading. Our defense will not suffer in the area of points allowed or yds. per game, improvement needs to be made in 3rd down defense, and take-aways. Sack totals were up from previous years but we have struggled consistently getting off the field on 3rd down.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

The Redskins have consistently been a top 10 defense for the past few years. Personally, I'd take a top 15 defense with more red zone stops and less big plays over 30 yards.

i agree that we gave up a good bit of big plays, but i thought we were top 5 if not no. 1 in redzone defense?