Haslett to accept Defensive Coordinator

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I really have no strong feelings in either direction on this hire. Yeah he's had some mediocre rankings recently but I think you have to consider the teams and the talent he was coaching at the time. Nobody in the know seems to dispute that he's a solid defensive mind, so I'm willing to be open to what he may bring to the table. At the least, he should be more aggressive and inventive with his schemes than Blache was.

Of the 31 other defensive coordinators in the league last year, i would say at least 25 of them were "more aggressive" than Blache. Most of the positive comments ive seen here about Haslett (and there are fairly few of them) center around the fact that he's not Greg Blache.

Of all the potential names being touted as potential DCs for Shanahan, Haslett was the worst. To find out that we contacted Crennel but never had serious discussions with him is perplexing. Saying he is a great defensive mind but blaming the teams/talent he was coaching for his poor defenses doesn't even make sense. Gregg Williams took a horrible defense over in New Orleans and made it elite. In the NFL, the level of raw talent is comparable on every single NFL team. COACHING is what makes the difference between mediocre/poor and excellent in this league. Haslett may have a great defenisve mind, but if he were a great coach, the results (his defenses performance over a decade) would testify to that. They don't.

in his last 10 years in Denver, Shanahan won 1 - ONE - playoff game. Why? Well, partly, because Denver's defenses sucked. One of Shanahan's downfalls in Denver was that he didn't select good defensive coordinators, forcing him to get new ones nearly every year. What this hire shows me is that, despite all the blind faith wishes of fans to the contrary, Shanahan hasn't changed one bit. He's selected yet another poor defensive coordinator. (More) mediocrity, here we come.

People who take a wait and see approach are setting themselves up for bitter disappointment. I'm sure Denver fans said the same thing each time Shanahan selected a new D.C. How'd that work out for them?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Of the 31 other defensive coordinators in the league last year, i would say at least 25 of them were "more aggressive" than Blache. Most of the positive comments ive seen here about Haslett (and there are fairly few of them) center around the fact that he's not Greg Blache.

Of all the potential names being touted as potential DCs for Shanahan, Haslett was the worst. To find out that we contacted Crennel but never had serious discussions with him is perplexing. Saying he is a great defensive mind but blaming the teams/talent he was coaching for his poor defenses doesn't even make sense. Gregg Williams took a horrible defense over in New Orleans and made it elite. In the NFL, the level of raw talent is comparable on every single NFL team. COACHING is what makes the difference between mediocre/poor and excellent in this league. Haslett may have a great defenisve mind, but if he were a great coach, the results (his defenses performance over a decade) would testify to that. They don't.

in his last 10 years in Denver, Shanahan won 1 - ONE - playoff game. Why? Well, partly, because Denver's defenses sucked. One of Shanahan's downfalls in Denver was that he didn't select good defensive coordinators, forcing him to get new ones nearly every year. What this hire shows me is that, despite all the blind faith wishes of fans to the contrary, Shanahan hasn't changed one bit. More mediocrity, here we come.

I think we could have done a lot worse than Hasslet. I mean really dude do you have to poo-poo everything? Are you going to give anything a chance?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think we could have done a lot worse than Hasslet. I mean really dude do you have to poo-poo everything? Are you going to give anything a chance?

Sure we could have done worse. You can always do worse. Shanahan could have hired Vinny Cerrato or matt Millen or Miss Piggy as defensive coordinator. If saying "we could have done worse" is satisfactory, then I think you and I have two entirely different levels of what is acceptable.

Rank Gray, Zimmer, Crennel, and Haslett (the candidates we know the skins had contact with) in order from best option to worst option. If Haslett is #1 or #2 on your list then you're not basing your opinion on the actual records of any of these men.

If I see signs that things are changing, i'll give them a chance. If I see history repeating itself, and that history is full of failure, i'm not going to stick my head in the sand and ignore whats happening. I WANT to give Snyder, Allen, Shanahan, and now Haslett the benefit of the doubt. But they've got to give me some real evidence that things are different. Up until now, they haven't. They might say all the right things about wanting to win, but so does every single owner, GM, and coach in this league. They all say the exact same things. Its actions that count. So far, the actions do not* look promising and i'm not going to delude myself just to have some temporary false excitement and hope.

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[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Sure we could have done worse. You can always do worse. Shanahan could have hired Vinny Cerrato or matt Millen or Miss Piggy as defensive coordinator. If saying "we could have done worse" is satisfactory, then I think you and I have two entirely different levels of what is acceptable.

Rank Gray, Zimmer, Crennel, and Haslett (the candidates we know the skins had contact with) in order from best option to worst option. If Haslett is #1 or #2 on your list then you're not basing your opinion on the actual records of any of these men.

If I see signs that things are changing, i'll give them a chance. If I see history repeating itself, and that history is full of failure, i'm not going to stick my head in the sand and ignore whats happening. I WANT to give Snyder, Allen, Shanahan, and now Haslett the benefit of the doubt. But they've got to give me some real evidence that things are different. Up until now, they haven't. They might say all the right things about wanting to win, but so does every single owner, GM, and coach in this league. They all say the exact same things. Its actions that count. So far, the actions do look promising and i'm not going to delude myself just to have false excitement and hope.

I'm not saying it's satisfactory, but you DID say he was the worst. So is he the worst or not?

You're all over the place. Nothing is different, though the actions are promising... do you even know what you're thinking?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'm not saying it's satisfactory, but you DID say he was the worst. So is he the worst or not?

You're all over the place. Nothing is different, though the actions are promising... do you even know what you're thinking?

"Nothing is different, though the actions are promising?" when the hell did i say that?

EDIT - I re-read my post - I left out the crucial word "not" between "do" and "look promising." That certainly makes a difference, lol.

And yes, Haslett is, in my opinion, the worst of the four names that have been linked to the DC job here. However, we could always have "done worse" by hring Miss Piggy or Kermit the Frog or a just a rock to coach our defense.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Sure we could have done worse. You can always do worse. Shanahan could have hired Vinny Cerrato or matt Millen or Miss Piggy as defensive coordinator. If saying "we could have done worse" is satisfactory, then I think you and I have two entirely different levels of what is acceptable.

Rank Gray, Zimmer, Crennel, and Haslett (the candidates we know the skins had contact with) in order from best option to worst option. If Haslett is #1 or #2 on your list then you're not basing your opinion on the actual records of any of these men.

If I see signs that things are changing, i'll give them a chance. If I see history repeating itself, and that history is full of failure, i'm not going to stick my head in the sand and ignore whats happening. I WANT to give Snyder, Allen, Shanahan, and now Haslett the benefit of the doubt. But they've got to give me some real evidence that things are different. Up until now, they haven't. They might say all the right things about wanting to win, but so does every single owner, GM, and coach in this league. They all say the exact same things. Its actions that count. So far, the actions do not* look promising and i'm not going to delude myself just to have some temporary false excitement and hope.

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Once again you're assuming that we can get whoever we want. Zimmer and Crennel obviously didn't want to come here.. just like Cowher. That's a really strange way to base things.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Of all the potential names being touted as potential DCs for Shanahan, Haslett was the worst. To find out that we contacted Crennel but never had serious discussions with him is perplexing. Saying he is a great defensive mind but blaming the teams/talent he was coaching for his poor defenses doesn't even make sense. Gregg Williams took a horrible defense over in New Orleans and made it elite. In the NFL, the level of raw talent is comparable on every single NFL team. COACHING is what makes the difference between mediocre/poor and excellent in this league. Haslett may have a great defenisve mind, but if he were a great coach, the results (his defenses performance over a decade) would testify to that.

What are you basing this on...and more important when? People keep talking about Haslett's defenses when he was a HC, and honestly I don't think that's a good assessment. I mean Spags was a great DC in New York, but that hasn't necessarily translated well into his stint in St. Louis as a head coach.

If you tell me that Haslett was a piss poor defensive coordinator when he was with New Orleans in 1996, and the Steelers in 1997, 1998, and 1999, then I'll piss all over the corn flakes like you. Otherwise then all of us need to have a wait and see attitude about this.

Oh and there is a worst DC than Haslett that the Redskins could have hired, his name is Greg Blache.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

What are you basing this on...and more important when? People keep talking about Haslett's defenses when he was a HC, and honestly I don't think that's a good assessment. I mean Spags was a great DC in New York, but that hasn't necessarily translated well into his stint in St. Louis as a head coach.

If you tell me that Haslett was a piss poor defensive coordinator when he was with New Orleans in 1996, and the Steelers in 1997, 1998, and 1999, then I'll piss all over the corn flakes like you. Otherwise then all of us need to have a wait and see attitude about this.

Oh and there is a worst DC than Haslett that the Redskins could have hired, his name is Greg Blache.

People keep forgetting that he was a DC with St. Louis for 2-1/2 years (3 full offseasons to implement his system) before being named interim head coach.

Greg Blache was never in consideration for the DC job in 2010. Its been beleived for months that he, along with his uber-passive version of GG's defensive system, was retiring.