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[cpayne5]

Don't forget that actually writing the app is only half the battle. The other is getting it approved.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

Don't forget that actually writing the app is only half the battle. The other is getting it approved.

Approved?! That figures.

I didn't know you had to get it approved, but I can't say I'm surprised. Open standards > proprietary bullshit. F Apple. F Microsoft. Their business practices ultimately hurt the community and limit progress. But hey, at least they're getting rich, right?

IMO, this is why Microsoft will eventually succumb to open standards, or they will perish. Did you know that if you want to develop .Net apps you have to run them on Windows? So, you get language independence (totally worthless, IMO) but you're locked into Windows (clearly inferior to Unix) and its licensing fees.

I'm a Java developer, and the apps I write are totally portable and totally free to develop and host. They can be developed with any tool (Notepad, if you want), and can run on any system. Did I mention the tools and server software is also open-source and free? Geez, for the life of me I don't know what MS is thinking.

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[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Approved?! That figures.

I didn't know you had to get it approved, but I can't say I'm surprised. Open standards > proprietary bullshit. F Apple. F Microsoft. Their business practices ultimately hurt the community and limit progress. But hey, at least they're getting rich, right?

IMO, this is why Microsoft will eventually succumb to open standards, or they will perish. Did you know that if you want to develop .Net apps you have to run them on Windows? So, you get language independence (totally worthless, IMO) but you're locked into Windows (clearly inferior to Unix) and its licensing fees.

I'm a Java developer, and the apps I write are totally portable and totally free to develop and host. They can be developed with any tool (Notepad, if you want), and can run on any system. Did I mention the tools and server software is also open-source and free? Geez, for the life of me I don't know what MS is thinking.

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Apple is being very Nazi-like with their apps. There have been lots of apps that have been rejected with absolutely no reason given. Others have been rejected for completely bogus reasons.

You don't have to run .NET apps in Windows. You can develop and host .NET apps for free. (see DotGNU, mono, and Silverlight as a few examples)

I think you probably mean UNIX-like.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

Apple is being very Nazi-like with their apps. There have been lots of apps that have been rejected with absolutely no reason given. Others have been rejected for completely bogus reasons.

You don't have to run .NET apps in Windows. You can develop and host .NET apps for free. (see DotGNU, mono, and Silverlight as a few examples)

I think you probably mean UNIX-like.

Funny how the open-platform .Net movement (dotGNU) is not endorsed by MS -- in fact it appears to be created in retaliation to Microsoft's proprietary ways. I also doubt the CLI source code is available -- it seems dotGNU just provides the binaries (because MS hasn't released the source). Please correct me if you know better.

I also checked out Silverlight (which is a MS product) and you need the Web Platform Installer to get it (which is only supported by Windows). There might be a way to hack it, but that's my point. So, it seems, if we just left it up to MS there would be no free, open-source, open-platform, or open anything coming from them.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Funny how the open-platform .Net movement (dotGNU) is not endorsed by MS -- in fact it appears to be created in retaliation to Microsoft's proprietary ways. I also doubt the CLI source code is available -- it seems dotGNU just provides the binaries (because MS hasn't released the source). Please correct me if you know better.

I also checked out Silverlight (which is a MS product) and you need the Web Platform Installer to get it (which is only supported by Windows). There might be a way to hack it, but that's my point. So, it seems, if we just left it up to MS there would be no free, open-source, open-platform, or open anything coming from them.

Of course it's not endorsed by Microsoft. Here is the CLI standard, which Free Software is probably building against. The source is available.

Microsoft provides a Silverlight installer for Mac, and you can use Moonlight (developed by the mono folks) if you want to run it on Linux. For MS FOSS, check out Codeplex.