ESPN's Schefter channels his energy into NFL

[SmootSmack]

I think sometimes people think saying you need strong line play makes you a more intelligent fan, as if saying QB play is important is something only casual, even ignorant fans who don't know any better would say.

Line play is important but too many of us are really underestimating the importance of good QB play. A good QB can make an average line look much better than it really is.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think sometimes people think saying you need strong line play makes you a more intelligent fan, as if saying QB play is important is something only casual, even ignorant fans who don't know any better would say.

Line play is important but too many of us are really underestimating the importance of good QB play. A good QB can make an average line look much better than it really is.

I agree Smoot, but at the same time we need so much help. I am not saying I am an intelligent fan or I know how to build a football team , but at the same time I am a believer in you win the game in the trenches. Look at the Jets. Hell look at the Ravens.

DO you really feel that the guys in THIS draft class can go out and win games? I just don't see that player. Especially since most of the top guys are all hurt. The player you are looking for is there this year? That is where I am coming from. I don't see the guy in this draft who you are describing.

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Smoot if you feel that player is there then who is it? I am not starting a fight just want your opinion.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

I agree Smoot, but at the same time we need so much help. I am not saying I am an intelligent fan or I know how to build a football team , but at the same time I am a believer in you win the game in the trenches. Look at the Jets. Hell look at the Ravens.

DO you really feel that the guys in THIS draft class can go out and win games? I just don't see that player. Especially since most of the top guys are all hurt. The player you are looking for is there this year? That is where I am coming from. I don't see the guy in this draft who you are describing.

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Smoot if you feel that player is there then who is it? I am not starting a fight just want your opinion.

Here's the thing. I think Okung if he's there should be our first pick. But let's say he's not I don't want to take an offensive linemen at #4 because I don't believe there's any worth drafting there. I'd rather do something like Clausen and then maybe a Charles Brown in the 2nd. Until we make a formal commitment to Campbell for the long-term I gotta think we need a QB. Do we need to spend our first round pick on him? No. I think this QB class is better than we're giving it credit for.

But again, I think it's our desire of drafting linemen that is making us overlook the flaws and weaknesses of the OL in the draft and put the QBs under a microscope. I mentioned it here

http://www.thewarpath.net/652225-post55.html

[Zerohero]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think sometimes people think saying you need strong line play makes you a more intelligent fan, as if saying QB play is important is something only casual, even ignorant fans who don't know any better would say.

Line play is important but too many of us are really underestimating the importance of good QB play. A good QB can make an average line look much better than it really is.

Isn't this a weak year for first round qb's, that is good enough reason to not take what is already a very risky pick.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Zerohero

Isn't this a weak year for first round qb's, that is good enough reason to not take what is already a very risky pick.

I'm not arguing for a QB but it seems that this is a weak year for first round tackles, too.

[Zerohero]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I'm not arguing for a QB but it seems that this is a weak year for first round tackles, too.

that is true but lets look at two scenarios

Draft a qb which is proven high risk, give him tons of money and know that he will prob not even play first year. If he is a bust it is a complete loss, almost no trade value.

Draft an OL that is lower risk, give him good money but less than a QB would have got. If he is a bust, move him to RT. If he a bust keep moving down the line. Complete bust he still has trade value.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Zerohero

that is true but lets look at two scenarios

Draft a qb which is proven high risk, give him tons of money and know that he will prob not even play first year. If he is a bust it is a complete loss, almost no trade value.

Draft an OL that is lower risk, give him good money but less than a QB would have got. If he is a bust, move him to RT. If he a bust keep moving down the line. Complete bust he still has trade value.

Say what?

[Zerohero]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Say what?

Maybe i should have said more trade value. Not saying great but more than a bust qb would get. Or i could have never said that haha.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Zerohero

that is true but lets look at two scenarios

Draft a qb which is proven high risk, give him tons of money and know that he will prob not even play first year. If he is a bust it is a complete loss, almost no trade value.

Draft an OL that is lower risk, give him good money but less than a QB would have got. If he is a bust, move him to RT. If he a bust keep moving down the line. Complete bust he still has trade value.

Suppose Mike Shanahan believes that JC is pretty good but Bradford or Clausen is a franchise QB. Do you want him to disregard what he believes and pick a LT anyway?

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by celts32

Suppose Mike Shanahan believes that JC is pretty good but Bradford or Clausen is a franchise QB. Do you want him to disregard what he believes and pick a LT anyway?

I think it's a either or situation. If that is the case he feels that one of them are the franchise QB then you take the franchise QB. Or you draft a OT and keep Campbell.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by celts32

Suppose Mike Shanahan believes that JC is pretty good but Bradford or Clausen is a franchise QB. Do you want him to disregard what he believes and pick a LT anyway?

Well Okung could be a franchise tackle too. I honestly feel that it will all depend on who's available at #4.

If Okung is there, let's take him.

If Clausen or Bradford are there...we could take them but either one of them being there could also lead to a trade (i.e. Seattle).

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well Okung could be a franchise tackle too. I honestly feel that it will all depend on who's available at #4.

If Okung is there, let's take him.

If Clausen or Bradford are there...we could take them but either one of them being there could also lead to a trade (i.e. Seattle).

We've had a franchise tackle for the last 10 years, it's only done us so much good. If we want to get to a level where we're going to compete on an annual basis then we need a franchise QB. As has been said before we don't need to use our first pick on an offensive lineman. We can use the rest of the draft to add guys along the O-Line which will be very different from not taking any lineman and saying that they just weren't the best players available.

[Zerohero]

Originally Posted by celts32

Suppose Mike Shanahan believes that JC is pretty good but Bradford or Clausen is a franchise QB. Do you want him to disregard what he believes and pick a LT anyway?

I trust Shannahan and he hope whatever he does works, just when a qb is picked high the pressure is to put him in quickly and we see how that works. While i dont want a qb picked first, i can live with it as long as we address the line with the rest of the draft.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Zerohero

that is true but lets look at two scenarios

Draft a qb which is proven high risk, give him tons of money and know that he will prob not even play first year. If he is a bust it is a complete loss, almost no trade value.

Draft an OL that is lower risk, give him good money but less than a QB would have got. If he is a bust, move him to RT. If he a bust keep moving down the line. Complete bust he still has trade value.

You are right that a first round QB is a greater risk than a first round tackle. But sometimes the risk pays off. What if the Colts had never risked taking Manning? Or if the Chargers had never risked taking Rivers? Etc. etc. The first round qb is high risk but also very high reward.

Again, I'm not arguing for a qb. And I sure don't want us to squander a pick on a Ryan Leaf. But if we could find the next Rivers, wouldn't that be cool?

[Zerohero]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You are right that a first round QB is a greater risk than a first round tackle. But sometimes the risk pays off. What if the Colts had never risked taking Manning? Or if the Chargers had never risked taking Rivers? Etc. etc. The first round qb is high risk but also very high reward.

Again, I'm not arguing for a qb. And I sure don't want us to squander a pick on a Ryan Leaf. But if we could find the next Rivers, wouldn't that be cool?

Well i am just giving my opinion, i am not a gambling type. So most of my posts on different matters will reflect that. Of course some teams have taken the risk and won, but FAR more have suffered much from high QB picks. I dont think LT busts hurt a team as much. Thats what i was trying to point out earlier but i didn't make it clear.