CBA Progress (or Lack thereof)

[SUPERMUSTI2]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I remember this non sense back in the 80's and it really sucked. Watching those replacement games was just awful and having no football was worse. Although I'll never forget that Monday night against Dallas where Gibbs had Tony Robinson running the option and we beat a Dallas team that had many players cross the picket line. Anyone out there remember that? They carried Gibbs off the field....that was great stuff and one of the best coaching jobs I've ever seen. I don't know which side is being greedy but to me the players really don't have the upper hand here. Playing 18 games is the worst idea I've heard and putting in a rookie salary cap is the best idea I've heard.

Actually I have very fond memories of the scabs! We had the best owner in the NFL or in all sports Jack Kent Cooke; arguably the best front office mastermind in Bobby Beathard ; and future hall of famer Joe Gibbs! Those were the Golden Days! A small reminder

1987-Scab Game: No team in the NFL had more players cross the picket line during the 1987 strike than the Cowboys, who were 2–0 with their "scab" players entering a game with the Redskins on Monday Night Football. Washington had also won their two games during the strike, but without any veterans. For this game the Cowboys had Danny White, Randy White, Tony Dorsett, Ed Jones among other veterans, but were upset by the replacement Redskins players, 13-7, in a game former Washington head coach Joe Gibbs called "one of my greatest experiences and wins." The Redskins finished 3–0 with the replacements, the strike ending the following week. The Redskins would go on to win Super Bowl XXII later that season. In 2000, Warner Bros. made a movie loosely based on the 1987 Redskins called "The Replacements."

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SUPERMUSTI2

Actually I have very fond memories of the scabs! We had the best owner in the NFL or in all sports Jack Kent Cooke; arguably the best front office mastermind in Bobby Beathard ; and future hall of famer Joe Gibbs! Those were the Golden Days! A small reminder

1987-Scab Game: No team in the NFL had more players cross the picket line during the 1987 strike than the Cowboys, who were 2–0 with their "scab" players entering a game with the Redskins on Monday Night Football. Washington had also won their two games during the strike, but without any veterans. For this game the Cowboys had Danny White, Randy White, Tony Dorsett, Ed Jones among other veterans, but were upset by the replacement Redskins players, 13-7, in a game former Washington head coach Joe Gibbs called "one of my greatest experiences and wins." The Redskins finished 3–0 with the replacements, the strike ending the following week. The Redskins would go on to win Super Bowl XXII later that season. In 2000, Warner Bros. made a movie loosely based on the 1987 Redskins called "The Replacements."

It turned into a dream season for us, no doubt. Great memories! Welcome to The Warpath SUPERMUST12!

[SolidSnake84]

This is like "the replacements" again in real life....again lol.

I was too young to remember the strike in the 80's....maybe i will finally get to see replacement players again.

Bring it on!

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

I agree, that a rookie pay scale need to be in place. An unproven player coming out and getting drafted in the first round is like winning the lottery. These guys make way to much money to start. I believe it will make the rookies better in the long run because they know they have to earn their money. Nothing would be given to them.

I am sure more than one of you will agree that just because you were a star in college gives you no right to come into the NFL and start making veteran star player money. This is ridiculous. The Teams who miss with thier top picks become hindered by a failing rookie, because of his contract. Look at the Raiders for example and Jamarcus Russel. The dude is terrible, but he will never have to work a day in his life if he is smart with his cash.

There are so MANY reasons why the NFL needs a rookie pay scale.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

If a rookie wage scale is in place before this years draft, it dramatically increases the likelyhood that we'll be able to find a team willing to trade up to get our #4 overall pick.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

If a rookie wage scale is in place before this years draft, it dramatically increases the likelyhood that we'll be able to find a team willing to trade up to get our #4 overall pick.

Even if no trade benefits for us, it's long overdue. Crabtree proved it.

[rypper11]

I watch a lot of NHL games on TV and go to at least a dozen games a year. But it took me awhile. As for baseball, I haven't watched a game since the strike. The disparity is even greater now. I do watch several minor league games a year (I'm fortunate enough to live in an area where there are several leagues).
I think a lockout would hurt the NFL as far as casual fans are concerned but most of us that spend time on boards will still watch the games.

[Schneed10]

While these things often go down to the last minute, this one is a lot more likely to go to a lockout because the players are asking for a deal worth more money than they're currently getting. Owners are opting out of the current deal, and asking for a better one. One side is going to have to accept a deal yielding less $ for them than the status quo.

In previous years, impasses have been resolved as they've found a way to ensure both sides get a slight increase. That can't happen this time. Someone's going to lose money, so they're a lot more willing to sit the 2011 season in an effort to avoid that.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

While these things often go down to the last minute, this one is a lot more likely to go to a lockout because the players are asking for a deal worth more money than they're currently getting. Owners are opting out of the current deal, and asking for a better one. One side is going to have to accept a deal yielding less $ for them than the status quo.

In previous years, impasses have been resolved as they've found a way to ensure both sides get a slight increase. That can't happen this time. Someone's going to lose money, so they're a lot more willing to sit the 2011 season in an effort to avoid that.

but don't the owners have all the leverage here? if there's a lockout, the owners can still make money - the players dont.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

but don't the owners have all the leverage here? if there's a lockout, the owners can still make money - the players dont.

Well, the players get their signing bonuses for the life of their contracts whether there are games to be played or not. It's true that if there is a lockout, they won't get their salaries, but that really only kills the players who were just about to become eligible for free agency. I think the players have a majority of the leverage, even though a lockout is techincally due to the owners.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, the players get their signing bonuses for the life of their contracts whether there are games to be played or not. It's true that if there is a lockout, they won't get their salaries, but that really only kills the players who were just about to become eligible for free agency. I think the players have a majority of the leverage, even though a lockout is techincally due to the owners.

i've read that the owners will essentially fire/layoff everyone if theres a lockout and they can use the stadiums for other venues to makeup revenues while there's no games. and the owners still get their portion of revenue from tv deals, whether there are games or not. so the owners will still be generating revenue, but without having to pay for player salaries.

the owners seem well-prepared to weather the storm of a lockout. the players, on the other hand, by all reports have not been saving up money to last them through a potential lockout.

my bold prediction is that the lockout last no more than 4-6 games and we still have a 10-12 game season.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

but don't the owners have all the leverage here? if there's a lockout, the owners can still make money - the players dont.

I don't know about that. Overhead (even outside salaries) is pretty high. If they hire scabs, they gotta pay em. Then there's rents, debt servicing. No games = no revenue.

[MTK]

The scab win over the Cowboys is probably one of the best upsets in league history.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The scab win over the Cowboys is probably one of the best upsets in league history.

Plus, it inspired The Replacements. So there's that...

[CultBrennan59]

So why can't the owners and players get on the same page? Is it that the owners want to pay the players less and the players want more money?