Vikings Run Up The Score: Brooking vs. Pat Williams

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Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

I applaud the hiring of Shannahan, the best move that could have been made.

More importantly, and please do not take this in a bad way, it seems that Snyder has taken page out of Jerry Jones book.

After 3 consecutive 5-11 season with Dave Campo, Jones decided that in the best interest of the club that he needed to "release the reins" a bit. He hired Bill Parcells and surrendered a lot of the control that he had. The result was good and the talent level increased dramtically.

Snyder has done something very similar with Shanny, and that is a smart move in my opinion.

But based on your statement, failure is anything less than a Super Bowl. So every year, based on what you said, there are 31 teams that fail.

And yeah, Shannahan has experience winning Super Bowls. But so does Parcells. And since the 1986 season how many Super Bowls has he won since? With the Pats, Jets or Cowboys?

Shannahan won 2 Super Bowls with arugueably one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game. Since that QB left the NFL, Shannahan won only one playoff game, just one.

And while that subject is in the air, how many coaches in the Super Bowl era have EVER won Super Bowls with 2 different teams?

None is the correct answer. Guys like Parcells, Holmgren, Shula, Vermeil, Reeves and Gruden have made it to the SB with different teams. But none has ever WON Super Bowls with 2 different teams.

Not saying Shanny won't get the job done, I am just saying if you are expecting "instant results" next season or even the following season, you may be just as disappointed as 2009.

And as the players which Parcells acquired leave the Cowboys roster, the talent level will go down. Jerry Jones forgot his "lesson."

BTW the "how many coaches have won Super Bowls with two different teams" thing is a bit of a straw dog. "It can't be done" and "it hasn't been done" are two different statements which should not be confused. I am not arguing that Shanahan will win a SB or anything like that, I'm am simply pointing out a logically flawed if common argument.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by Lotus

And as the players which Parcells acquired leave the Cowboys roster, the talent level will go down. Jerry Jones forgot his "lesson."

BTW the "how many coaches have won Super Bowls with two different teams" thing is a bit of a straw dog. "It can't be done" and "it hasn't been done" are two different statements which should not be confused. I am not arguing that Shanahan will win a SB or anything like that, I'm am simply pointing out a logically flawed if common argument.

Never meant that it could not be done.

My point in my response to the gentlemens post was simply to recommend PATIENCE where Shanny and the new coaching staff are concerned.

Zorn and his staff were not the only obstacle facing the Redskins.

Just saying that by hiring Shanny and Allen, it is not like you "just add water" and viola, your in the Super Bowl next year.

And as far as the "talent level" lost after Parcells, I disagree adamantly. Quite to the contrary that some of the most explosive players Dallas has were drafted by Phillips.

Felix Jones
Anthony Spencer
Mike Jenkins
Tashard Choice

And keeping an eye on Victor Butler, he looks very promising.

Just to name a few.