AFC/NFC Championship Weekend '10

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Dude you were congratulating guys for picking the Jets in the first half like the game was over. Your credibility is a little low right now.

I'm not an Oracle. Never proclaimed to be. Anyone who thinks Campbell can be a playoff QB has no credibility in my book.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

I'm not an Oracle. Never proclaimed to be. Anyone who thinks Campbell can be a playoff QB has no credibility in my book.

I personally think he can be a playoff QB but I'm tired of going into every year hoping we "just get to the playoffs." I want a team that year in and year out is a strong contender to reach and win the Super Bowl.

I don't want a team that has to get lucky like the Jets (two teams laying down at the end of the season and 5 missed field goals from opponents in the playoffs). Don't get me wrong they're a great story and if Sanchez develops they will be competing for Super Bowls on an annual basis, but if they expect the same thing to happen next year then quite frankly they're dreaming.

Shanahan is an offensive genius. Give him a true franchise QB and you're set up for a decade that could possibly be better then the 80's. Now I'm not even saying that Bradford or Clausen is that guy, but if the front office determines that they are that true franchise guy then we would have to be braindead to pass up that chance to take them. Especially if drafting a QB down the line means trading a second round pick to move up.

Campbell will have a chance to prove himself this year and he will have a much better offensive line but even then it's likely that he's not the guy that can get a 100 QB rating on the year, year in and year out.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I personally think he can be a playoff QB but I'm tired of going into every year hoping we "just get to the playoffs." I want a team that year in and year out is a strong contender to reach and win the Super Bowl.

I don't want a team that has to get lucky like the Jets (two teams laying down at the end of the season and 5 missed field goals from opponents in the playoffs). Don't get me wrong they're a great story and if Sanchez develops they will be competing for Super Bowls on an annual basis, but if they expect the same thing to happen next year then quite frankly they're dreaming.

Shanahan is an offensive genius. Give him a true franchise QB and you're set up for a decade that could possibly be better then the 80's. Now I'm not even saying that Bradford or Clausen is that guy, but if the front office determines that they are that true franchise guy then we would have to be braindead to pass up that chance to take them. Especially if drafting a QB down the line means trading a second round pick to move up.

Campbell will have a chance to prove himself this year and he will have a much better offensive line but even then it's likely that he's not the guy that can get a 100 QB rating on the year, year in and year out.

The relevant question: is Sam Bradford the guy you are describing? Is Jimmy Clausen?

What about the projection systems that view these guys as players who will likely be successful, but not historic? Are they wrong? More specifically, what traits do these two have in common with players who can score 100 in QB rating year in and year out...the best of the best.

And what of players such as Roethlisberger, who seem to produce in big games, but just don't have the consistent production to be in big games on a year to year basis. Do you draft that kind of player in the top five? Or do you look for someone better?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The relevant question: is Sam Bradford the guy you are describing? Is Jimmy Clausen?

As I said before thats for the front office to decide. Personally I like what I've read from them in scouting reports, but personally both of them seem to be very different. Bradford is more laid back while Clausen is a fiery competitor. Both are accurate QB's but Bradford has the type of accuracy that makes me more comfortable pulling for him at the moment. Either way we'll find come April what they think of those two QB prospects. Clausen though might be a moot point as Walter Football makes a pretty strong case for why the Rams will take Clausen.

WalterFootball.com: 2010 NFL Mock Draft
(Other things to take from this article: 2nd round QB's have a 75% bust rate (wish they would compare that to 1st round QB's) and Bradford could fall far if we pass on him, the logic being that if the team with inside information from Bradford's doctor passes on him why would other teams want him.)

What about the projection systems that view these guys as players who will likely be successful, but not historic? Are they wrong? More specifically, what traits do these two have in common with players who can score 100 in QB rating year in and year out...the best of the best.

Traits like accuracy, the ability to read defenses, and the most underrated factor, getting drafted to the right system. Very few guys if any can develop on any team as a rookie, Manning is the only one that comes to mind as a guy that would have succeeded anywhere. However right now I feel like we are one of those teams with the right system to make a good QB great and great QB elite. Also keep in mind that our prized rookie will be riding the pine for a year so that will give us 2 years worth of draft picks and free agency to build an Offensive Line around him.

And what of players such as Roethlisberger, who seem to produce in big games, but just don't have the consistent production to be in big games on a year to year basis. Do you draft that kind of player in the top five? Or do you look for someone better?

With Big Ben the Steelers are Super Bowl contenders every year. Big Ben has now finished a season with a 100 QB rating twice, and a rating in the 90's twice, though it is surprising to see him with an 80 rating last year when they won Super Bowl he still came through and played well in the playoffs (91.6 postseason rating last year). To be honest a season with an 80 rating or something to that effect is fine if the QB has produced enough in other seasons.