Reasons for drafting Sanchez

[Son Of Man]

As a rookie, Sanchez is a better leader/player than jason is after 5 seasons. Period!

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

As a rookie, Sanchez is a better leader/player than jason is after 5 seasons. Period!

I'm sorry but making these generic base-less (sp?) statements are getting really old. Sanchez in this Jets team is a better player than a lot of other QBs. I'd like to see what Sanchez would have done with our terrible offensive line and spotty running game. Very few QBs would be successful in the mess of a team that we had this past year.

Sanchez should consider himself lucky not to have been drafted by Washington and turning into another Patrick Ramsey. Instead, he will develop into a very good (if not great) QB in a team that had already built an outstanding offensive line, a great running game, and an elite defense.

I hope that the success of this Jets team has taught our owner (and a few simple-minded fans) the importance of building up a team in the trenches, before bringing in a young talented QB.

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I hope that the success of this Jets team has taught our owner (and a few simple-minded fans) the importance of building up a team in the trenches, before bringing in a young talented QB.

I agree that offensive lines are vitally important. However, did the Saints or the Colts build up their offensive lines before they brought in Drew Bree's or Peyton? Did the Pittsburgh Steelers build up their Offensive line prior to drafting Ben? Lastly, the Patriots have only drafted one o-lineman in the first round since year 2000. Granted, they did draft 2 o-lineman in the second rounds, but I'm just having a hard time finding any historical evidence to support your theory of building a line before filling the most important position on the field, QB.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

I agree that offensive lines are vitally important. However, did the Saints or the Colts build up their offensive lines before they brought in Drew Bree's or Peyton? Did the Pittsburgh Steelers build up their Offensive line prior to drafting Ben? Lastly, the Patriots have only drafted one o-lineman in the first round since year 2000. Granted, they did draft 2 o-lineman in the second rounds, but I'm just having a hard time finding any historical evidence to support your theory of building a line before filling the most important position on the field, QB.

Were any of their lines as bad as ours before they got their QB?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

I agree that offensive lines are vitally important. However, did the Saints or the Colts build up their offensive lines before they brought in Drew Bree's or Peyton? Did the Pittsburgh Steelers build up their Offensive line prior to drafting Ben? Lastly, the Patriots have only drafted one o-lineman in the first round since year 2000. Granted, they did draft 2 o-lineman in the second rounds, but I'm just having a hard time finding any historical evidence to support your theory of building a line before filling the most important position on the field, QB.

I think there is a lot of evidence to support the proposition: A rookie qb behind an ineffective line will lead to the demise of that rookie qb.

I know that is not the argument you made, but lets be honest, if we don't strengthen and deepen our OL ability, that is the proposition we are talking about.

fact 1: QB's that are not P. Manning are not guaranteed to be franchise qb's. And any rookie qb can get shell shocked by the speed of the game, even behind a good oline.

fact 2: We do not have a good oline. Remember we played 5 0fer teams in a row(not counting the Giants who hadn't played a game) and still had a high sack count. JC rushed more than any other qb in our division, and we still had a high sack count.

fact 3: In recent years, teams with Rookie qbs and solid lines have done far better than qbs with rookie qbs and weak lines. Prime example is NYJ/Sanchez, and Balt/Flacco. Neither of those qbs had stellar stats, yet both grew into their position behind very good olines, compared to Det/Stafford.

So the question is do we need to have the Shanahan Hogs in place before we get a franchise qb?

My answer would be no, but you need to have them in place before the qb takes a seasons worth of snaps.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

As a rookie, Sanchez is a better leader/player than jason is after 5 seasons. Period!

That's just idiotic. Sanchez had little if no effect on the Jets' success this season, they're starting 4 first-round picks on the O-line, had the #1 defense in the NFL and one of the best running games also.

All Sanchez had to do was hand off the ball without dropping it.

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by Buster

That's just idiotic. Sanchez had little if no effect on the Jets' success this season, they're starting 4 first-round picks on the O-line, had the #1 defense in the NFL and one of the best running games also.

All Sanchez had to do was hand off the ball without dropping it.

Come on, you have to give the guy some credit. He played well enough for the Jets to win yesterday. He gave the overrated Jets D an 11 point lead. He made a lot of clutch 3rd down conversions. He also threaded a few beauties on the sideline to Cotchery. A 139, and a 93 passer rating for your first 2 playoff games are far above average.

[Bushead]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

Come on, you have to give the guy some credit. He played well enough for the Jets to win yesterday. He gave the overrated Jets D an 11 point lead. He made a lot of clutch 3rd down conversions. He also threaded a few beauties on the sideline to Cotchery. A 139, and a 93 passer rating for your first 2 playoff games are far above average.

I don't think anyone is saying he's not good, but let's really look at the game of football as what it is: a TEAM game. This year they played great defense, great run attack, and Sanchez picked his spots to do well. He did very well yesterday, but he isn't ready to put a team on his back and carry him, which he shouldn't have to do all the time with a great team.

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by Bushead

I don't think anyone is saying he's not good, but let's really look at the game of football as what it is: a TEAM game. This year they played great defense, great run attack, and Sanchez picked his spots to do well. He did very well yesterday, but he isn't ready to put a team on his back and carry him, which he shouldn't have to do all the time with a great team.

I agree he's no where near to being able to carry his team. But in a few short years he will be. Providing the Jets compliment him with some consistent playmakers.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Buster

That's just idiotic. Sanchez had little if no effect on the Jets' success this season, they're starting 4 first-round picks on the O-line, had the #1 defense in the NFL and one of the best running games also.

All Sanchez had to do was hand off the ball without dropping it.

early on in the season, yes. but as the season went on, sanchez got better and better. sanchez also made several GREAT plays against the colts sunday and really impressed me. he's nowhere near being an elite QB yet, but he has all the makings of becoming one. I fully expect him to be one of the top 3 QBs in the league within 3-5 years. He certainly looked better than any of the other QBs in last years draft and this upcoming one. Not really relevant to the Redskins though.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by Buster

That's just idiotic. Sanchez had little if no effect on the Jets' success this season, they're starting 4 first-round picks on the O-line, had the #1 defense in the NFL and one of the best running games also.

All Sanchez had to do was hand off the ball without dropping it.

Sanchez is doing what Big Ben was asked to do his first year in the league. What Matty Ice and Flacco did last year. However, in the post-season he showed fantastic leadership skills and a passion for the game. He stood tall and gave the Jets fan base legitimate reason to look forward to him as future of their franchise. JC has been here for 3 and a half seasons as a starter (Brunell started the first 24 games of JC's career) and has never made us feel as secure as Jets fans must feel about Sanchez.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Sanchez is doing what Big Ben was asked to do his first year in the league. What Matty Ice and Flacco did last year. However, in the post-season he showed fantastic leadership skills and a passion for the game. He stood tall and gave the Jets fan base legitimate reason to look forward to him as future of their franchise. JC has been here for 3 and a half seasons as a starter (Brunell started the first 24 games of JC's career) and has never made us feel as secure as Jets fans must feel about Sanchez.

You can bring just about any QB to the terrible set up we had here in Washington, and they will all most likely fail. While not taking much away from Sanchez' potential abilities, you fail to acknowledge the good tools that the Jets put around him and the good situation they put him him. By the time Sanchez got there, the Jets had built a Pro Bowl offensive line, a great running game, and an elite defense. The Jets even went out and got him a big WR target in Edwards.

You can continue to lust after QBs that have "fantastic leadership skills and passion for the game" but that won't mean squat if they continue to hit the ground because of a terrible offensive line (among many problems that a terrible offensive line brings). Over the course of these playoffs, you saw two great QBs with a lot of this leadership and passion that you speak of, and they got hit in the mouth and were sent packing home the minute their line was not able to protect them. A line that that does that constantly during the regular season will result in a 4-12 record.

Jets fans should feel secure as Sanchez as their starter and should look forward to him as the future of their franchise. And that's because Sanchez feels secure about his offensive line, his running game, and his team's ownership commitment to him as the starting QB.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

You can bring just about any QB to the terrible set up we had here in Washington, and they will all most likely fail. While not taking much away from Sanchez' potential abilities, you fail to acknowledge the good tools that the Jets put around him and the good situation they put him him. By the time Sanchez got there, the Jets had built a Pro Bowl offensive line, a great running game, and an elite defense. The Jets even went out and got him a big WR target in Edwards.

You can continue to lust after QBs that have "fantastic leadership skills and passion for the game" but that won't mean squat if they continue to hit the ground because of a terrible offensive line (among many problems that a terrible offensive line brings). Over the course of these playoffs, you saw two great QBs with a lot of this leadership and passion that you speak of, and they got hit in the mouth and were sent packing home the minute their line was not able to protect them. A line that that does that constantly during the regular season will result in a 4-12 record.

Jets fans should feel secure as Sanchez as their starter and should look forward to him as the future of their franchise. And that's because Sanchez feels secure about his offensive line, his running game, and his team's ownership commitment to him as the starting QB.

Exactly. Sanchez was the beneficiary of the #1 defense (in several categories actually), #1 rushing attack, and was also playing behind the best O-line in football. I can't think of any better way to protect a rookie QB.

Even when they were winning, an average Sanchez stat line was something like 10-19, 143 yards, 1TD, 2INTs. I mean, his QB rating for the season was 63. That's lower than Brady Quinn. Plus he turned it over 23 times. Sure, he's shown a flash here and there. Oh, and he's a rah rah guy. So what. At this point whether or not he'll be a good NFL QB is still very much up in the air. He looks every bit like a QB who only started about a dozen college games before going pro.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

You can bring just about any QB to the terrible set up we had here in Washington, and they will all most likely fail. While not taking much away from Sanchez' potential abilities, you fail to acknowledge the good tools that the Jets put around him and the good situation they put him him. By the time Sanchez got there, the Jets had built a Pro Bowl offensive line, a great running game, and an elite defense. The Jets even went out and got him a big WR target in Edwards.

You can continue to lust after QBs that have "fantastic leadership skills and passion for the game" but that won't mean squat if they continue to hit the ground because of a terrible offensive line (among many problems that a terrible offensive line brings). Over the course of these playoffs, you saw two great QBs with a lot of this leadership and passion that you speak of, and they got hit in the mouth and were sent packing home the minute their line was not able to protect them. A line that that does that constantly during the regular season will result in a 4-12 record.

Jets fans should feel secure as Sanchez as their starter and should look forward to him as the future of their franchise. And that's because Sanchez feels secure about his offensive line, his running game, and his team's ownership commitment to him as the starting QB.

What has JC done to ever instill confidence in the B&G fanbase? Even when we had a solid line, running game and defense (2007 season which was his first as a full-time starter), did he exude leadership quality? Sanchez does.

BTW- Ben Rothelisberger played behind a terrible line, so did Aaron Rogers (who was drafted the same year as JC). Why is their play seen as better by virtually ever expert in the NFL and TV? Why is it Denver and Chicage wanted no parts of him in a proposed trade?

JC is a nice guy and appears to be a good person, however, he has not shown the ability to b a franchise QB after 3 1/2 seasons.....period.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

What has JC done to ever instill confidence in the B&G fanbase? Even when we had a solid line, running game and defense (2007 season which was his first as a full-time starter), did he exude leadership quality? Sanchez does.

BTW- Ben Rothelisberger played behind a terrible line, so did Aaron Rogers (who was drafted the same year as JC). Why is their play seen as better by virtually ever expert in the NFL and TV? Why is it Denver and Chicage wanted no parts of him in a proposed trade?

JC is a nice guy and appears to be a good person, however, he has not shown the ability to b a franchise QB after 3 1/2 seasons.....period.

Do we disqualify him being our best offensive player in consecutive years? Sure, hasn't meant a whole lot in terms of playoff appearances or victories, but we haven't had much by way of a defense since Grilliams left (except boundless consistency) and the running game has been quite spotty during the last two years. The passing offense has really been the only thing the Redskins have had during the Zorn era, and clearly, it alone was very insufficient to get the Redskins to the playoffs.

Perhaps it's accurate that quarterbacks need to win to be considered franchise QBs, and QBs on teams that don't win are expendable based on the principle that you can lose just as effectively with worse QB play. I wouldn't agree with that, but at the very least, it makes some sense.

On a 4-12 team, all players are expendable. But that doesn't mean they are all worthless.