Portis staying?

[SolidSnake84]

Son of Man has called me out....my feelings are hurt.

I'll admit it though, I dont like Portis. I'll go as far as to say I do hate him. And i hate him because of what he has done to this team, how he has alienated his fellow team mates, and everything else that he has done...He doesn't appear to be sorry in the least, and given the opportunity, he is going to do the same things if he gets the chance. I hate how he is holding the redskins over a barrel. He will never change his ways. And people dont seem to get that, but thats fine.

I guess i'm wrong for wanting a guy like that off the team. People need to realize that we aren't going anywhere with guys like him because he disrupts any kind of unity/cohesion that the team would have. We have this great new coach, and great new manager, but if guys like Portis stay its going to be the same old same old, and you know it

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Son of Man has called me out....my feelings are hurt.

I'll admit it though, I dont like Portis. I'll go as far as to say I do hate him. And i hate him because of what he has done to this team, how he has alienated his fellow team mates, and everything else that he has done...He doesn't appear to be sorry in the least, and given the opportunity, he is going to do the same things if he gets the chance. I hate how he is holding the redskins over a barrel. He will never change his ways. And people dont seem to get that, but thats fine.

I guess i'm wrong for wanting a guy like that off the team. People need to realize that we aren't going anywhere with guys like him because he disrupts any kind of unity/cohesion that the team would have. We have this great new coach, and great new manager, but if guys like Portis stay its going to be the same old same old, and you know it

First, I don't care if he stays or if he goes. That said, IF he stays, I don't think it is the same old same old. Some coaches tolerate foolishness, and it causes issues, some coaches put rules and disciplines in place, and allow no foolishness, most of the time that backfires too, the great coaches balance hard discipline with individual idiosyncrasies and they more often than not are the great coaches. One of JG's best attributes was maintaining team spirit and esprit de corps while allowing for a guy like Riggins to go have a drink or two with a Supreme Court judge, or CP give press conferences in costume. Antics can relieve the pressures of NFL life, and the great coaches understand that and manage it.

I think Shanahan had enough of CP the first time, but maybe he can talk some sense into him this time. Time will tell.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

First, I don't care if he stays or if he goes. That said, IF he stays, I don't think it is the same old same old. Some coaches tolerate foolishness, and it causes issues, some coaches put rules and disciplines in place, and allow no foolishness, most of the time that backfires too, the great coaches balance hard discipline with individual idiosyncrasies and they more often than not are the great coaches. One of JG's best attributes was maintaining team spirit and esprit de corps while allowing for a guy like Riggins to go have a drink or two with a Supreme Court judge, or CP give press conferences in costume. Antics can relieve the pressures of NFL life, and the great coaches understand that and manage it.

I think Shanahan had enough of CP the first time, but maybe he can talk some sense into him this time. Time will tell.

Perhaps I'm wrong but growing up during this time and laughing at it I thought it was after a SB run and Riggins was invited to a White House dinner? Gibbs didn't have anything to do with "allowing" him to go to it. I also thought it was after Riggins last year playing.

I don't know maybe I'm wrong.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Perhaps I'm wrong but growing up during this time and laughing at it I thought it was after a SB run and Riggins was invited to a White House dinner? Gibbs didn't have anything to do with "allowing" him to go to it. I also thought it was after Riggins last year playing.

I don't know maybe I'm wrong.

I don't mean to say that he allowed it in that sense, but there was also no discipline imposed, which today would probably be demanded. My point was to say that Gibbs gave players room to be themselves and probably directed that energy toward team building, should I have used the camo dress up before the dallas game, or other antics of Riggo. I don't think being a character or diva in and of itself is bad, but if not managed and guided into positive outlets, than it will become destructive, and that is what has happened with Portis through the Zorn Experiment.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I don't mean to say that he allowed it in that sense, but there was also no discipline imposed, which today would probably be demanded. My point was to say that Gibbs gave players room to be themselves and probably directed that energy toward team building, should I have used the camo dress up before the dallas game, or other antics of Riggo. I don't think being a character or diva in and of itself is bad, but if not managed and guided into positive outlets, than it will become destructive, and that is what has happened with Portis through the Zorn Experiment.

I see what your saying. The only thing I don't like about Gibbs was he eliminated some really great talented players cause he believed in character. I think the character of the team would be able to keep the 1 or 2 diva's on the team in check. But Gibbs wouldn't even look at some players even though they were the best at their position. He simply would settle for the blue colar character guy. However he did get the job done.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I see what your saying. The only thing I don't like about Gibbs was he eliminated some really great talented players cause he believed in character. I think the character of the team would be able to keep the 1 or 2 diva's on the team in check. But Gibbs wouldn't even look at some players even though they were the best at their position. He simply would settle for the blue colar character guy. However he did get the job done.

It will be interesting to see how the Skins fan base, who overall hate divas IMO, will deal with Shanahan. He has been known to look past that to get his guy, or his team. He is different from Gibbs in that way, but again, I think it points to the fact that a good/great coach knows the players he can handle. You look at Josh McD in Denver, he couldn't handle the same players that Shanahan could. Zorn couldn't handle the players Gibbs could (well Zorn couldn't handle the players- but let us not digress). Great coaches bring players that will respond to them, or at least they bring players that they THINK will respond to them. Under Bruce Allen/Shanahan, I think we will see our fair share of Diva's and "cancers", but I think many will flourish under Shanahan's coaching.

So does that mean Portis is staying? No, I think the points you and Snake raised about the cap and the concussions are extremely legitimate, and if there was a potential to get rid of Portis in a trade, or relieve the team of his salary(in future years where a cap may or may not come back into play), I think that will happen.