Portis staying?

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

First thing...how many rings did Portis get for Shanahan?

Here is your answer below. Read Slow. Here are guys who have succeeded since Portis was traded:

2005: Mike Anderson 1,014 yards 4.2 YPC 12 TDs
2006: Tatum Bell 1,025 yards 4.4 YPC 2 TDs
Mike Bell 677 yards 4.3 YPC 8 TDs

2007: Selvin Young 729 yards 5.2 YPC 1TDs
Travis Henry 691 yards 4.1 YPC 4 TDs

2008: Michael Pittman 320yds 4.2 YPC 4 TDs
Peyton Hillis 343yds 5.0 YPC 5 TDs
Selvin Young 303yds 5.0 YPC 1 TDs
*3 runners combined for 10 TDs, 966 yards..not a bad year

2009: Knowshon Moreno 947yds 3.8 YPC 7TDs
Correll Buckhalter 642yds 5.4YPC 1TD

Okay....so it looks like they've been just fine and successful since the mighty Portis was traded....

Dude...this post is retarded! None of the players above reached over 1500 yards in a season, or even got close! In fact the highest season total shown above was only 2/3 of what CP got in that system. Geez, I know you hate the guy but don't let that negate the need for common sense in your arguement.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Dude...this post is retarded! None of the players above reached over 1500 yards in a season, or even got close! In fact the highest season total shown above was only 2/3 of what CP got in that system. Geez, I know you hate the guy but don't let that negate the need for common sense in your arguement.

How about the fact that Knowshon was a rookie this past year and the Broncos were coached by Josh McDaniels so Shanahan had nothing to do with their 2009 running game output.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Dude...this post is retarded! None of the players above reached over 1500 yards in a season, or even got close! In fact the highest season total shown above was only 2/3 of what CP got in that system. Geez, I know you hate the guy but don't let that negate the need for common sense in your arguement.

I concur...some folks take the whole Denver running scheme to an extreme. No Terrell Davis, no Super Bowl...no Portis, no consistent RB hence their running back by committee.

[dgack]

I think the point isn't that Denver's "Who Dat" RBBC approach generated as many yards as CP did because obviously, it did not. The point is that it obviously didn't bother Shanny that much, because he made no moves to acquire a marquee RB after parting ways with Portis, and seemed to move the ball on the ground reasonably well without him, choosing instead to spend the draft picks on other positions.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Dude...this post is retarded! None of the players above reached over 1500 yards in a season, or even got close! In fact the highest season total shown above was only 2/3 of what CP got in that system. Geez, I know you hate the guy but don't let that negate the need for common sense in your argument.

Your math is retarded. As others have pointed out, Denver has used a 2 back system and still been okay. Maybe i'm not a expert like you, but it sure seems to me that "2/3's" of Portis' production in denver would have been about 1125 yards, right?

So the only year in which his production was not exceeded was 2008, and 3 freaking runners still got 1000 yards combined...Again, i think Denver has gotten along just fine without him.

""Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words"

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Your math is retarded. As others have pointed out, Denver has used a 2 back system and still been okay. Maybe i'm not a expert like you, but it sure seems to me that "2/3's" of Portis' production in denver would have been about 1125 yards, right?

So the only year in which his production was not exceeded was 2008, and 3 freaking runners still got 1000 yards combined...Again, i think Denver has gotten along just fine without him.

""Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words"

Look...CP (one back) in Denver's system:

2002- 1,508 yards - 5.5 ypc - 15 TD's
2003- 1,591 yards - 5.5 ypc - 14 TD's

Even with a "two back system" the production fell off after he left. If you hate the guy, just say you hate the guy. Stop trying to validate your emotions with any statistical eveidence knocking his worth as a player in the Denver system. He's not the same player now, but he can still be productive. It's like you want us to believe he was never anything special simply because you disapprove of his character? The guy was a stud and might have some productive years left. That will be up to the new FO to figure out. Either way, his career is an accomplished one and no amount of your disdain for him can detract from that.

Do you lways let your feelings get in the way of common sense? I guess Tiger Woods is an overrated golfer casue he's an adulterer? Tom Brady is an average QB cause he left his pregnant girlfriend? Kobe sucks cause he cheated on his wife? Riggo doesn't deserve to be in the HOF becasue he used to drink beer in a shed after practice? Joe Namath is a bum cause he struggles with alcoholism? Mel Gibson's movies are some trash because of his anti-semitism?

As far as your quoting of proverbs 23:9, I can only be amused. The guy with no validity in his arguement has to resort to ideaology in an attempt to recover any resemblence of an effective rebuttal. How cliche.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Look...CP (one back) in Denver's system:

2002- 1,508 yards - 5.5 ypc - 15 TD's
2003- 1,591 yards - 5.5 ypc - 14 TD's

Even with a "two back system" the production fell off after he left. If you hate the guy, just say you hate the guy. Stop trying to validate your emotions with any statistical eveidence knocking his worth as a player in the Denver system. He's not the same player now, but he can still be productive. It's like you want us to believe he was never anything special simply because you disapprove of his character? The guy was a stud and might have some productive years left. That will be up to the new FO to figure out. Either way, his career is an accomplished one and no amount of your disdain for him can detract from that.

Do you lways let your feelings get in the way of common sense? I guess Tiger Woods is an overrated golfer casue he's an adulterer? Tom Brady is an average QB cause he left his pregnant girlfriend? Kobe sucks cause he cheated on his wife? Riggo doesn't deserve to be in the HOF becasue he used to drink beer in a shed after practice? Joe Namath is a bum cause he struggles with alcoholism? Mel Gibson's movies are some trash because of his anti-semitism?

As far as your quoting of proverbs 23:9, I can only be amused. The guy with no validity in his arguement has to resort to ideaology in an attempt to recover any resemblence of an effective rebuttal. How cliche.

Im not going to argue with you. It's pointless. You wont believe me even when i give facts, and i wont believe you even with your 'facts'. Are you the president of the pastor of the church of Portis?

You accuse me of no validity in my argument. F you. I gave you stats and shit just like you did. And i already said in a few pages back, which you obviously didnt read, that I did HATE Portis because of what he's done to the team.I never criticised his past work. I'm not like you..i dont "worship" Portis for his past body of work, and figure he gets a pass for the future.

What do you want from me?? Damn at least Beneil is reasonable. Is being unreasonable a condition of your religion? I'm calling YOU out like you did me. Just admit that you are set in what you know and don't care about any other opinion or fact. Most of this thread is made up of people who feel just like I do...

Maybe there is no clear resolution. Can we just be friends now? How can i get a long with 1,487 other people every day...but you're that one guy that has to be the exception....

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Im not going to argue with you. It's pointless. You wont believe me even when i give facts, and i wont believe you even with your 'facts'. Are you the president of the pastor of the church of Portis?

You accuse me of no validity in my argument. F you. I gave you stats and shit just like you did. And i already said in a few pages back, which you obviously didnt read, that I did HATE Portis because of what he's done to the team.I never criticised his past work. I'm not like you..i dont "worship" Portis for his past body of work, and figure he gets a pass for the future.

What do you want from me?? Damn at least Beneil is reasonable. Is being unreasonable a condition of your religion? I'm calling YOU out like you did me. Just admit that you are set in what you know and don't care about any other opinion or fact. Most of this thread is made up of people who feel just like I do...

Maybe there is no clear resolution. Can we just be friends now? How can i get a long with 1,487 other people every day...but you're that one guy that has to be the exception....

Kill the motor Dude! Pipe down a tad. For the record, I am not a huge CP fan and I would not be upset if the team parted ways with him (provided we have a suitabloe alternative). However, I will not discredit what he has meant to this franchise as a player (adding weight, giving up his body to the tune of 300+ carries a year, shortening his own career, etc.) and would love to have him come back if the FO feels like he is in top form for a player of his age/experience. I probably would never want to be buddies with the guy, but I do not mind having a player of his skill set on my team.

I do not think one poor year makes him a piece of shit player. Nor do I think that calling out Seller bad blocking to the coaches (justifiably but not a nice thing to do) warrants his dismissal. I also, like John Thompson and Doc Walker, think that his comments on JC's leadership skills were taken out of context (probably why he called JC that night to explain). It perplexes me that folks are so quick to hate him when those close to him seem to respect him. And as far as the "some of his teammates are fed up" and "that's why he wasn't elected a team captain" arguement.....all I can say is, "Who gives a shit about the captains of a 4-12 team?" Obviously the 'leadership' on the 2009 squad was ineffective at best.