Bradford/Clausen now split among Mock Drafts

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Zerohero

Can say i wasn't happy with the last couple years in ND, but heres my .02 for Clausen since i watched every minute of every game. Somewhat mobile, can throw the deep out, has played through great adversity. Granted he had GREAT receivers but it helped he didn't have too many ints. He might not have won them all, but countless times brought team back in games when they fell behind early.

Even then i don't want a qb first round. After unless Brennan isn't coming back i see no need to draft qb in later rounds.

People keep saying that Clausen had great receivers, in actuality I think that Clausen was the one who made them great. In all the highlight films I've seen on him, especially the TD passes, he showed top notch ball placement and anticipation. The only person who had a chance to catch those passes were his receivers.

On TD passes most college QB's that are highly regarded seem to throw to guys that are wide open half the time. With Clausen I'm seeing him make those same throws except in his case the receivers are covered. In the end thats the thing that makes me excited about Clausen. Not only is he able to thread the needle into coverage but he also didn't throw many INT's while doing it. I think he's good for 25 TD passes a year in the NFL. Especially if Shannahan gets a hold of him.

I mean look at this. Compare last years #1 pick Stafford to Clausen. Just look at how open Staffords receivers are compared to Clausen, especially on TD passes. (Also notice how many of Staffords TD passes are against poor SEC coverage).





In the meantime I want to see if Bradford had to make the same throws against tight coverage. I mean it just impresses me how many difficult completions Clausen is able to complete. Especially passes on the outs and by the sidelines.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

In the meantime I want to see if Bradford had to make the same throws against tight coverage. I mean it just impresses me how many difficult completions Clausen is able to complete. Especially passes on the outs and by the sidelines.

thats what ive noticed too. ive been watching alot of highlight reels of the top qbs and with bradford it seemed every pass he was in shotgun, had tons of time and was throwing to wide open receivers. now im not saying every throw he made was to a wide open guy or that without a doubt clausen is better but it was something i took note of. also, this is just my own impression from watching youtube clips and reading draft experts opinions.

with clausen it seemed he made more tough throws in tighter coverage which is the reality in the nfl.

just watching that spread shotgun offense makes it hard for me to see how bradfords game will translate to the nfl compared to clausen.

OL, bradford, clausen suh berry, trade back . . . whatever allen and shanny think is best is better than any outside opinion i could have.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

just watching that spread shotgun offense makes it hard for me to see how bradfords game will translate to the nfl compared to clausen.

Just learned that Bradford ran a pro style offense during 2007, the year he was a Redshirt Freshman. Bradfords numbers that year were 36 TD's 8 Ints and a 176.52 QB Rating.

Summary: The statistics are there and he has operated in a pro-style offense as a freshman. He does throw pro routes, however, he WILL get nitpicked. Matt Leinart was nitpicked. Aaron Rodgers was nitpicked. Brady Quinn was nitpicked. Bradford won't have any challenges this season, so scouts and draftniks will find the flaws. Bradford is a top-20 pick, but don't be shocked if he doesn't go as high as we expect (Top 5) next April.

Player Comparison: Eli Manning. Like Eli, Bradford lacks the elite arm, but he is a superb decision-maker with great accuracy and decision-making. Both have limited upside.

If you want to see Bradford under Center look no further then this video. To be honest we'll be very lucky if he falls to the fourth spot.

[Lotus]

^ Good find. Very interesting.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Just learned that Bradford ran a pro style offense during 2007, the year he was a Redshirt Freshman. Bradfords numbers that year were 36 TD's 8 Ints and a 176.52 QB Rating.



If you want to see Bradford under Center look no further then this video. To be honest we'll be very lucky if he falls to the fourth spot.

watching that video it seems it shows only the ok v miami game and i didint see many passes from under center. play action yes. ive tried to find a bradford highlight reel for '07 but couldnt find one. did find a real interesting behind the scenes type video of bradford. top 10 percent in his class, plays the chelo, seems like he really has his head on straight which is the first and most important aspect when looking to add a 1st or 2nd round talent imo.

bradford or clausen or okung or suh or trade back ... alls good to me. but im an excited to take a chance on a potential franchise qb while we are sitting in the no 4 spot. honestly, drafting no 4 overall doesnt happen very often for us since weve been a .500 ball club forever. id like us to take a shot at qb at a legit no 1 prospect, not the 3rd qb taken in the 1st round like JC and ramsey.

[Zerohero]

Are you saying the wr's weren't good, with all due respect Golden Tate is All American. Countless times he had to fight for ball and came up with it. Clausen threw great passes, but he had great receivers too. Though he was hurt most year which really killed us, Floyd was thought to be better then Tate.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Zerohero

Are you saying the wr's weren't good, with all due respect Golden Tate is All American. Countless times he had to fight for ball and came up with it. Clausen threw great passes, but he had great receivers too. Though he was hurt most year which really killed us, Floyd was thought to be better then Tate.

No not at all. But Clausen didn't have Golden Tate all year and was still able to put up numbers. Tate made very good catches but they were very well placed by Clausen. A lot of times Tate was covered very well and there was usually only a small window for Clausen to thread the needle, which many times he did. Credit goes to Tate for making those catches but very rarely were Clausen's receivers wide open deep, like you see in Staffords video. Tate did though have some amazing YAC catches though, I will give him that.

I mean how many times have we've seen it in the NFL. Great Receiver goes to a team with mediocre QB play and suddenly he can barely break 900 yards while getting something like 30% of his teams throws. By nature receivers are much more dependent on their QB for production then QB's are on their receivers. So just as a rule of thumb I'm more willing to give credit to the QB long before I give credit to the receiver.

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

No not at all. But Clausen didn't have Golden Tate all year and was still able to put up numbers.

Actually it was Michael Floyd who missed a few games (who's equally awesome by the way).

By nature receivers are much more dependent on their QB for production thenQB's are on their receivers.

Exactly, place Austin Collie and Pierre Garcon on the Redksins with JC and see how well they do!

[wolfeskins]

i don't know what round it will be but i think it's a sure bet that shanny will take a qb in this years draft.

[wilsowilso]

I am officially on the draft Bradford bandwagon.

[murphy196]

Sam Bradford = Alex Smith!! Stay away from him, far far away!!! If we take a QB it needs to be Clausen, no question about it.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by murphy196

Sam Bradford = Alex Smith!! Stay away from him, far far away!!! If we take a QB it need to be Claussen, no question about it.

Well with that kind of compelling and comprehensive analysis I just might have to rethink my opinion?

[SBXVII]

Who would you rather have?
Bradford: http://www.sportsosphere.com/pics/sa...rd_heisman.gif

Clausen: http://collateral.jezebelmagazine.co...en_profile.jpg

Sorry

http://www.collegefootballblog.org/clausen.jpg

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Who would you rather have?
Bradford: http://www.sportsosphere.com/pics/sa...rd_heisman.gif

Clausen: http://collateral.jezebelmagazine.co...en_profile.jpg

Sorry

http://www.collegefootballblog.org/clausen.jpg

Heisman, because with the Heisman I can get 20 Holly Clausen's easy.

[SBXVII]

Ok, the joke would have been funnier had it put the girls name up:

Google Image Result for http://collateral.jezebelmagazine.com/FileLibrary/events/MostEligible2008/HollyClausen_profile.jpg