Bradford/Clausen now split among Mock Drafts

[Player_HTTR]

PHazard nailed it. I have been trying to put into words what JC lacks and why he is not a long term solution. He lacks that contagious energy/fire you want to see from a leader/QB. I would have been happier this year with Colt in there becasue he has always looked like he will hang it on the line to win and I can't see us doing any worse with him in.(I know he was injured and couldn't play, just being hypothetical) JC has one speed, mediocre. Should we get rid of him? Not this year, fix the things that are really broken first. I will throw up on myself if we draft a QB at #4, I don't see franchise QB in any of the BIG names. I will be stoked though if we land Pike/Lefevour/Kafka in the 4th round or later. I am thinking like a coke fiend for the first 2 rounds, it's all about the LINE. And If we can trade back and get more picks two should be competing for the front five.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Player_HTTR

PHazard nailed it. I have been trying to put into words what JC lacks and why he is not a long term solution. He lacks that contagious energy/fire you want to see from a leader/QB. I would have been happier this year with Colt in there becasue he has always looked like he will hang it on the line to win and I can't see us doing any worse with him in.(I know he was injured and couldn't play, just being hypothetical) JC has one speed, mediocre. Should we get rid of him? Not this year, fix the things that are really broken first. I will throw up on myself if we draft a QB at #4, I don't see franchise QB in any of the BIG names. I will be stoked though if we land Pike/Lefevour/Kafka in the 4th round or later. I am thinking like a coke fiend for the first 2 rounds, it's all about the LINE. And If we can trade back and get more picks two should be competing for the front five.

Sig worthy

[Son Of Man]

Give Brennan a shot. He couldn't be any worse than Campbell.

[cdskins26]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Give Brennan a shot. He couldn't be any worse than Campbell.

Im not sure I can agree with that. To be honest our opinions on JC are based on what we know about him, while our knowledge of Brennan is based on everything we dont know about him yet.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by cdskins26

Im not sure I can agree with that. To be honest our opinions on JC are based on what we know about him, while our knowledge of Brennan is based on everything we dont know about him yet.

kind of ironic you would say that and then have clausen>campbell in your sig

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Give Brennan a shot. He couldn't be any worse than Campbell.

Right, that's why in two preseason's Brennan was overlooked in the discussion of the starting qb...:yeahright

[PHazard]

I'm not sayin Colt would come in and be a star off the bat. EVERYONE has a rough start or a rough patch. But when u see the kid play, yu cant help but get behind him cuz he gets more and more AMPED UP after every completion. It wouldnt be all balloons and champagne when he starts out, but if yu check his bio, check his story, the kid is a FIGHTER! and he would always fight to be the best. He is overflowing with confidence and trusts his arm and all his throws. JC doesnt trust ANYTHING, his line his arm, if a receiver is open or if its an optical illusion and his eyes are decieving him. Yeah, Colt hasn't been in the conversation of starting QB wit the coaches yet. But this is the SAME coaching staff that got rid of Jansen cuz they said Heyer was better, that got rid of Jeremy Bridges who started at LT all year for the cardinals, that said Antwaan Randle El was our best return man. They clearly werent suited to make ANY decisions lol

[The Goat]

I also see that special something in Brennan's attitude and demeanor, call it a swagger. You can tell he wants to be GREAT. For these reasons alone he is worth the time and energy required bring him along.

...I think he becomes a starter in the league eventually.

[GusFrerotte]

Brennan is not starter material. He built up his rep in college, piling up huge stats on a pass happy team against inferior opponents(much like Tebow). The only real team he played at Hawaii was Georgia in the Sugar Bowl and he got destroyed. If Shanny does indeed bring in a vet to back up JC, Brennan is toast. Too many good QBs coming out in the next few seasons for Shanny not to take one. Remember, if we didn't gamble on Colt, he would have gone undrafted. For someone who set NCAA passing records, it is strange for nobody to take a chance on him til the 6th round, and of course in was our screwed up FO that did.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Brennan is not starter material. He built up his rep in college, piling up huge stats on a pass happy team against inferior opponents(much like Tebow). The only real team he played at Hawaii was Georgia in the Sugar Bowl and he got destroyed. If Shanny does indeed bring in a vet to back up JC, Brennan is toast. Too many good QBs coming out in the next few seasons for Shanny not to take one. Remember, if we didn't gamble on Colt, he would have gone undrafted. For someone who set NCAA passing records, it is strange for nobody to take a chance on him til the 6th round, and of course in was our screwed up FO that did.

yes the sec is a terrible conference just awful don't you agree gmscud

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

yes the sec is a terrible conference just awful don't you agree gmscud

Yeah seriously. I mean, Florida and Alabama's defenses this past season could probably outperform the Rams and the Lions. To say Tebow piled up stats against "inferior" competition is just flat out wrong. I'm not saying he'll be a great pro, but that statement couldn't be further from the truth.

[r08kessl]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yeah seriously. I mean, Florida and Alabama's defenses this past season could probably outperform the Rams and the Lions. To say Tebow piled up stats against "inferior" competition is just flat out wrong. I'm not saying he'll be a great pro, but that statement couldn't be further from the truth.

I'll never try to argue that the SEC is a bad conference because that's just a lie (even though after the first tier in any given year the competition drops off significantly), florida does play a terrible out of conference schedule, over the last two years (when tebow was a starter) they played:

Charleston Southern, Troy, FIU, Florida State (both years), Cincinnati, Hawaii, Miami Fl, the citadel, oklahoma

oklahoma and cincinnati only happened becasue of bowl games, and I would argue that if it wasn't tradition Florida wouldn't even play FSU.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by r08kessl

I'll never try to argue that the SEC is a bad conference because that's just a lie (even though after the first tier in any given year the competition drops off significantly), florida does play a terrible out of conference schedule, over the last two years (when tebow was a starter) they played:

Charleston Southern, Troy, FIU, Florida State (both years), Cincinnati, Hawaii, Miami Fl, the citadel, oklahoma

oklahoma and cincinnati only happened becasue of bowl games, and I would argue that if it wasn't tradition Florida wouldn't even play FSU.

This is the SEC's M.O. They talk up their conference and use it as an excuse to avoid playing quality out of conference opponents. You look at schools from the Pac 10, Big XII, and Big 10 then you find yourself hard pressed to find teams that schedule a Charleston Southern.

Oregon for example played Boise State, Utah, and Purdue. Purdue played Northern Illinois, Toledo, Oregon, and Notre Dame. Oklahoma played Miami, Tulsa, Idaho State, and BYU. Now all of these teams aren't world beaters but at least they're FBS schools. And usually if they do schdule and FCS school it's usually very rarely more then one where I've frequently seen SEC school schdule as many as two FCS school and no quality opponents to compensate for the two throw away games.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by r08kessl

I'll never try to argue that the SEC is a bad conference because that's just a lie (even though after the first tier in any given year the competition drops off significantly), florida does play a terrible out of conference schedule, over the last two years (when tebow was a starter) they played:

Charleston Southern, Troy, FIU, Florida State (both years), Cincinnati, Hawaii, Miami Fl, the citadel, oklahoma

oklahoma and cincinnati only happened becasue of bowl games, and I would argue that if it wasn't tradition Florida wouldn't even play FSU.

Well, first of all, Tebow was a starter the past three years, not two.

Oklahoma, Cincy, Miami, Florida St three times, and Michigan (bowl game 2007) isn't exactly terrible. In those games UF went 6-1. Every big time program plays a few cupcakes along the way. It's just how it is. So a few times a year Tebow got to pile up some stats on bad teams. It's also worth noting that he often didn't play in the second half of some of those games. He also played 24 games in 3 years against SEC defenses and went 20-4 in those games.

And what does the tradition aspect of your FSU argument have to do with anything? That's Bowden-led program from a BCS conference and with Tebow as a starter we went 3-0 against them, outscoring them 127-37. Plus we beat Miami 30-6 in 2008. The reason we play them is irrelevant. The outcome however is not.

[GTripp0012]

Colt was a college stud who was very much worth the 6th rounder we spent on him to see if he could adjust to the pro game, but if you're being honest with yourself, you've likely seen enough to conclude that there's not all that much there.

A new system is a new hope for guys like Brennan, but he's just holding a roster spot until someone more intriguing comes along.