Bradford/Clausen now split among Mock Drafts

[PHazard]

Colt Brennan > Chase Daniel. Chase couldnt throw a spiral half the time and he kept bein put in to throw a 5 yard fade pass lol. And as far as him "piling up stats like tebow", they are COMPLETELY different QB's. Tebow is more likely to run if his 1st option isnt open, Brennan trusts his arm! We need a QB who whole heartedly BELIEVES he can do it. His college coach Jones interviewing him to go to Hawaii said "If u're afraid to be great dont come here, but if you arent scared, we can do this and make sumthing special." I think that alone made Brennan commit to Hawaii cuz there aint no way some1 is gon call him scared without him proving them WRONG! They went undefeated his last year. Then lost to Georgia in the bowl game. But like i said, his WHOLE team was outmatched. If they are puttin pressure on you with ONLY 3 men and can drop 8 in coverage, how can you succeed? That game displayed the Spread Offense's flaws. Not Brennan's. HE TAKES CONTROL OF THE HUDDLE! HE CONGRATULATES EVERYONE! God damn, he even learned SAMOAN to help the offensive lineman in Hawaii make line calls! I hear you on the inferior competition, but if u even watch highlight videos, its not like hes throwin to receivers that are blatantly wide open, or coverage was blown, he threads the needle ALOT and puts it where his guy can get it. He is dedicated to always improving. All those reasons are why I BELIEVE in him n think he deserves AT LEAST a shot. You guys bring up LeFevour (spread offense), Pike (spread offense), and Kafka (spread offense), So they are ALL in pass happy offenses and they didnt put up records like Brennan did. The records arent important to me or the NFL so ill leave that at that. But, my question is, WHY, with SOOOOOOOO many other needs, should we use a 4th round pick, on another SPREAD offense QB, when we havent tested the one ALREADY on our roster? Our OLine is garbage, we need MUCH more personnel to switch to a 3-4 (Bigger LB's, Big NT) a TRUE FS, prolly a CB if Rogers departs. If we bring in an undrafted QB after the draft and Shanahan says he beat out Brennan fair and square, so be it, but to waste a MID ROUND pick on another question mark just sounds Cerrato-ish to me

[CultBrennan59]

Heres my last opinion on Bradford and Clausen which may persuade you all:

I think a great way to evaluate QB's is by seeing how good their receivers are. For example; A lot of people thought Matt Ryan would not be a good pick and isn't that good of a QB. I always thought he looked like a great NFL QB, people didn't really like him because he was slightly slow at times, and he threw lots and lots of picks. Then I saw an analyst say "We look at the receivers he had to throw to...NO ONE!"

Which brings me to my point. Think about it, Tom Brady had only David Terrell to throw to at Michigan, and Terrell was out of the NFL 4 years later and was a 6th round pick.

Peyton Manning had Peerless Price and that was it at tennessee

Drew Brees had No One to throw to at purdue

Rivers, Manning and Roethlisberger had no one to throw to aswell (except cotchery was there a little bit)

Aaron Rodgers had no one at Cal

Jay Cutler ....nope no one at all

Now, one of the exceptions to this rule is our own QB Jason Campbell. He had great running backs, but no WR's

So lets look at our 2 current QB's that are graded as first rounders

Jimmy Clausen has Golden Tate (projected first rounder), Michael Floyd (projected first rounder) and Rudolph the TE (projected 5-6th rounder).
He had great players to throw to.

Sam Bradford had Jauqin Igeliasis (3rd Rounder), Manuel Johnson (7th rounder), Brian Broyles (Jr. Will probably be a first rounder, definite second rounder) and Jerhmain Greisham (projected first rounder)

I think you got to go with Bradford because he was able to do the most with the poorer quality receivers. Watching a lot of Clausen highlights, there were a lot of times that he would under or over throw Tate, and Tate would somehow come up with the ball. Bradford, would put the ball where his receivers would be the only ones to get it. Other than greisham, bradford didn't have that many good receivers, and was able to get the ball to the receivers and not make them have to adjust for it nearly as much as Clausen.

Let's get Sam.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Sam Bradford had Jauqin Igeliasis (3rd Rounder), Manuel Johnson (7th rounder), Brian Broyles (Jr. Will probably be a first rounder, definite second rounder) and Jerhmain Greisham (projected first rounder)

I think you got to go with Bradford because he was able to do the most with the poorer quality receivers. Watching a lot of Clausen highlights, there were a lot of times that he would under or over throw Tate, and Tate would somehow come up with the ball. Bradford, would put the ball where his receivers would be the only ones to get it. Other than greisham, bradford didn't have that many good receivers, and was able to get the ball to the receivers and not make them have to adjust for it nearly as much as Clausen.

Let's get Sam.

The legend of Sam Bradford grows.
BTW-You forgot Malcolm Kelly and an near NFL caliber OL.
You also forgot that the QB friendly system OU runs allowed Landry Jones to step in and put up some good numbers too.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by 30gut

The legend of Sam Bradford grows.
BTW-You forgot Malcolm Kelly and an near NFL caliber OL.
You also forgot that the QB friendly system OU runs allowed Landry Jones to step in and put up some good numbers too.

First off, Kelly and Bradford played for 1 year together, I'm referring to SB redshirt sophomore year only. He had two, maybe three if you count duke robinson starters on his OL, so your statement also holds true, but at the same time, the Big 12 always has good pass rushers and defenses so it's not like the Oline wasn't battle tested or invincible. I wouldn't say that it was a QB friendly system at OU, because its not like a Florida or texas tech or hawaii QB friendly offense, He plays every down with a RB and TE in every formation and occasionally a FB, which to me means its a pro style offense such as what New England and Indy run. If I had to put Clausen and Bradford head to head in the whose offense is more QB friendly, then yeah, I'd go Bradford, but in general I think people really overstate OU's offense as a 'typical college' offense. Plus if you watch bradford, QB friendly or not, he puts the ball where only his receivers can get it, and threads the needle between defenders. His very accurate which is something every coach loves about a QB.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

First off, Kelly and Bradford played for 1 year together, I'm referring to SB redshirt sophomore year only. He had two, maybe three if you count duke robinson starters on his OL, so your statement also holds true, but at the same time, the Big 12 always has good pass rushers and defenses so it's not like the Oline wasn't battle tested or invincible. I wouldn't say that it was a QB friendly system at OU, because its not like a Florida or texas tech or hawaii QB friendly offense, He plays every down with a RB and TE in every formation and occasionally a FB, which to me means its a pro style offense such as what New England and Indy run. If I had to put Clausen and Bradford head to head in the whose offense is more QB friendly, then yeah, I'd go Bradford, but in general I think people really overstate OU's offense as a 'typical college' offense. Plus if you watch bradford, QB friendly or not, he puts the ball where only his receivers can get it, and threads the needle between defenders. His very accurate which is something every coach loves about a QB.

Look dude, i got nothing against Bradford.
But people are starting to talk this dude up as some sort of can't miss prospect by downing the other QBs and the level of competition and system etc..
Bradford has many of the same flaws as the other QBs you mention.
I'm not saying that OU running a QB friendly offense is a knock just that its in the same category as Texas, Florida, WVU etc. Also, how can you deny that OU runs a QB friendly offense when freshmen Landry Jones steps in after Bradfords injury and puts up some good numbers himself 3,198 yds 26 TDs.

[CultBrennan59]

[QUOTE=30gut;661040]Look dude, i got nothing against Bradford.
But people are starting to talk this dude up as some sort of can't miss prospect by downing the other QBs and the level of competition and system etc..
Bradford has many of the same flaws as the other QBs you mention.
I'm not saying that OU running a QB friendly offense is a knock just that its in the same category as Texas, Florida, WVU etc. Also, how can you deny that OU runs a QB friendly offense when freshmen Landry Jones steps in after Bradfords injury and puts up some good numbers himself 3,198 yds 26 TDs.[/QUOTE]

It's called getting good recruits, which Bob Stoops does year in and year out. No one had Paul Thompson as a great NFL QB when he was at OU a few years ago.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by 30gut

The legend of Sam Bradford grows.
BTW-You forgot Malcolm Kelly and an near NFL caliber OL.
You also forgot that the QB friendly system OU runs allowed Landry Jones to step in and put up some good numbers too.

And you're forgetting the pro style system Bradford ran his freshman year where he put up 3,100 yard 36 TD's and 8 Int's. And Malcolm Kelly hasn't done much lately to prove that he wasn't a product of good QB play.

[bdubin]

Bradford is a bust!!!!!!

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by bdubin

Bradford is a bust!!!!!!

Excellent and inciting (spelling is correct) response. The depth of your analysis, and support of proposition is so complete as to be completely irrefutable. You have proven your case beyond any reasonable person's ability to dissuade you. BDubin, you get my vote as our next GM


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[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Excellent and inciting (spelling is correct) response. The depth of your analysis, and support of proposition is so complete as to be completely irrefutable. You have proven your case beyond any reasonable person's ability to dissuade you. BDubin, you get my vote as our next GM


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Dude, don't make fun of him. His post was peer reviewed.

[GusFrerotte]

30 gut has got it. Stoops has a system that you can put in any above average college QB into and he will produce. I don't think Olkahoma's Wr corp was so bad either. That is why if we do go for a Q we go for a second tier one that performed well on a team on par with its competition. Florida or Oklahoma did play a few top opponents, but padded their schedule with the typcial patsies. On top of that the major conferences had an off year in terms of real strong intra conference competition. Ohio State ran away with the Big Ten, Bama with the SEC, and Tex with the Big 12. Only the Pac 10 had a few teams in the running for the title with 2-3 weeks left in the season.

[GTripp0012]

Before we go off the wall on Bradford, can someone remind me of a player who missed either their last year of college ball with injury, or their first year of pro ball with injury (the qualifying factor is the practice time...were they unable to practice most of the year?), and went on to acheive great success.

I'm not talking about relative success at a position...that's what we already have at the QB position. I'm talking about unquestionable, best of era (or in the discussion) at their position. Made a lot of pro bowls early?

I'm sure if we go back far enough, said player exists. I just can't think of the last one who, like Sam Bradford, basically didn't practice all year after the BYU game, and went on and didn't skip a beat, continuing on at the next level as if the injury year simply never happened.

The first two years of Bradford's college career suggest a player that was destined for NFL stardom. The most critical year leaves us with a player that is, at best, injury prone, and at worst, too unrefined to make the jump. The question is: which NFL comparable would help me reconcile the two "careers" Sam Bradford had. I have statistical comparables, but they suggest simple mediocrity. I'm looking for something more relevant to the player himself.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Before we go off the wall on Bradford, can someone remind me of a player who missed either their last year of college ball with injury, or their first year of pro ball with injury (the qualifying factor is the practice time...were they unable to practice most of the year?), and went on to acheive great success.

maybe i'm forgetting someone but can you remind me of someone who missed their last year of college fb and then was a top five pick in the draft

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

maybe i'm forgetting someone but can you remind me of someone who missed their last year of college fb and then was a top five pick in the draft

Jason Allen, the University of Tennessee safety (drafted by the Dolphins), was picked somewhere between 16-18 in 2006, and hasn't produced like a first round pick.

Antonio Cromartie was picked in roughly the same range the same year. He's got a pro bowl appearance. But he's had an up and down career.

Neither of those guys were top five picks, but that was probably as much about being defensive backs as being injured. Darrelle Revis, for example, was the 14th overall pick in 2007. People knew he was great at the time, but it's tough to justify a top ten pick on a DB unless you know he's going to be THIS good. Ed Reed was the 23rd? overall pick in 2002.

[SmootSmack]

Bradford basically didn't practice after the second injury in mid-October against Texas, after BYU (save for a few days off) he was still practicing, albeit limited on some days.