Coaching Staff update

[BigHairedAristocrat]

HEAD COACH.............Mike Shanahan - Significant upgrade over Zorn.

OFFENSIVE COORD....Kyle Shanahan - Significant upgrade. Best OC we've had in a long long time.

OFFENSIVE LINE........Chris Foerster - Definitely a significant downgrade from Buges. He appears to have been our 3rd or 4th choice for the position. His lines have never had that great of success to my knowledge.

RUNNING BACKS........Bobby Turner - Very solid hire. Definite upgrade.

WIDE RECEIVERS.......Keenan McCardell - Why? He's unproven. he's replacing one of the worst assistant coaches on our former staff, but who's to say he's an upgrade over Hixon? I hope he was hired because Shanahan really felt he was the best man for the job, and not because he's all we could get. considering how long it took to fill the position, i'm not optomistic about our receivers this year.

TIGHT ENDS...............Jon Embree - Meh.

QUARTERBACKS.........Matt LaFleur - I was hopeful Meidt would get the job, but LaFleur has experience with Shanny and he shares the name of Sawyer's alter ego on Lost, so i'll give this move a thumbs up.

OFFEN ASSISTANT......Sean McVey - Who?

DEFENSIVE COORD.....Jim Haslett - Hate the hire. Of all the rumored replacements to Blache, he was the worst in my opinion. he's never had continued success as a DC, but perhaps he was able to convince Shanahan that he never was given the proper personnel.

SECONDARY...............Bob Slowick - We all knew he was coming. I'd have rather kept Grey, but that might not have been a realistic option.

SAFETIES...................Steven Jackson - why do we have a secondary coach and a safeties coach again?

LINEBACKERS.............Lou Spanos - love it, especially if we're switching to a 3-4. if we're sticking with a 4-3, then i'd rather have not demoted Oli.

DEFENSIVE LINE.........Jacob Burney - An upgrade for sure

SPECIAL TEAMS..........Danny Smith - very pleased he was retained

DEFENSIVE ASST........Kirk Olivadotti - very very glad we were able to retain him on staff.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

HEAD COACH.............Mike Shanahan - Significant upgrade over Zorn.

OFFENSIVE COORD....Kyle Shanahan - Significant upgrade. Best OC we've had in a long long time.

OFFENSIVE LINE........Chris Foerster - Definitely a significant downgrade from Buges. He appears to have been our 3rd or 4th choice for the position. His lines have never had that great of success to my knowledge.

RUNNING BACKS........Bobby Turner - Very solid hire. Definite upgrade.

WIDE RECEIVERS.......Keenan McCardell - Why? He's unproven. he's replacing one of the worst assistant coaches on our former staff, but who's to say he's an upgrade over Hixon? I hope he was hired because Shanahan really felt he was the best man for the job, and not because he's all we could get. considering how long it took to fill the position, i'm not optomistic about our receivers this year.

TIGHT ENDS...............Jon Embree - Meh.

QUARTERBACKS.........Matt LaFleur - I was hopeful Meidt would get the job, but LaFleur has experience with Shanny and he shares the name of Sawyer's alter ego on Lost, so i'll give this move a thumbs up.

OFFEN ASSISTANT......Sean McVey - Who?

DEFENSIVE COORD.....Jim Haslett - Hate the hire. Of all the rumored replacements to Blache, he was the worst in my opinion. he's never had continued success as a DC, but perhaps he was able to convince Shanahan that he never was given the proper personnel.

SECONDARY...............Bob Slowick - We all knew he was coming. I'd have rather kept Grey, but that might not have been a realistic option.

SAFETIES...................Steven Jackson - why do we have a secondary coach and a safeties coach again?

LINEBACKERS.............Lou Spanos - love it, especially if we're switching to a 3-4. if we're sticking with a 4-3, then i'd rather have not demoted Oli.

DEFENSIVE LINE.........Jacob Burney - An upgrade for sure

SPECIAL TEAMS..........Danny Smith - very pleased he was retained

DEFENSIVE ASST........Kirk Olivadotti - very very glad we were able to retain him on staff.

So much for the "wait and see" attitude.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

So much for the "wait and see" attitude.

you're response to my post makes no sense. any time the team makes any sort of move, people are going to have opinions on it. do you feel we should all "wait and see" without having any feelings about any moves the skins ever make? if she skins signed terrell owens to a 8 year, 100MM contract, should we not have an opinion and just "wait and see" what happens? if the skins traded a 7th round pick to indy for peyton manning, should we surpress our excitement and take a "wait and see approach?"

if we all waited 2 years after everything the skins did to express an opinion, this would be a very very boring place, dont you agree?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

you're response to my post makes no sense. any time the team makes any sort of move, people are going to have opinions on it. do you feel we should all "wait and see" without having any feelings about any moves the skins ever make? if she skins signed terrell owens to a 8 year, 100MM contract, should we not have an opinion and just "wait and see" what happens? if the skins traded a 7th round pick to indy for peyton manning, should we surpress our excitement and take a "wait and see approach?"

if we all waited 2 years after everything the skins did to express an opinion, this would be a very very boring place, dont you agree?

well in the case of individual players you pretty much know what you're bringing to the table

some coaches do great with what their FO's give them and then suck it up elsewhere, some do the opposite

like a team that largely ignores the O-Line (whomever that might be).. you're like damn their o-line coach must SUCK! but then you get say a LB coach fed pro-bowlers and you assume he's the best in the league, etc

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

HEAD COACH.............Mike Shanahan - Significant upgrade over Zorn.

OFFENSIVE COORD....Kyle Shanahan - Significant upgrade. Best OC we've had in a long long time.

OFFENSIVE LINE........Chris Foerster - Definitely a significant downgrade from Buges. He appears to have been our 3rd or 4th choice for the position. His lines have never had that great of success to my knowledge.

RUNNING BACKS........Bobby Turner - Very solid hire. Definite upgrade.

WIDE RECEIVERS.......Keenan McCardell - Why? He's unproven. he's replacing one of the worst assistant coaches on our former staff, but who's to say he's an upgrade over Hixon? I hope he was hired because Shanahan really felt he was the best man for the job, and not because he's all we could get. considering how long it took to fill the position, i'm not optomistic about our receivers this year.

TIGHT ENDS...............Jon Embree - Meh.

QUARTERBACKS.........Matt LaFleur - I was hopeful Meidt would get the job, but LaFleur has experience with Shanny and he shares the name of Sawyer's alter ego on Lost, so i'll give this move a thumbs up.

OFFEN ASSISTANT......Sean McVey - Who?

DEFENSIVE COORD.....Jim Haslett - Hate the hire. Of all the rumored replacements to Blache, he was the worst in my opinion. he's never had continued success as a DC, but perhaps he was able to convince Shanahan that he never was given the proper personnel.

SECONDARY...............Bob Slowick - We all knew he was coming. I'd have rather kept Grey, but that might not have been a realistic option.

SAFETIES...................Steven Jackson - why do we have a secondary coach and a safeties coach again?

LINEBACKERS.............Lou Spanos - love it, especially if we're switching to a 3-4. if we're sticking with a 4-3, then i'd rather have not demoted Oli.

DEFENSIVE LINE.........Jacob Burney - An upgrade for sure

SPECIAL TEAMS..........Danny Smith - very pleased he was retained

DEFENSIVE ASST........Kirk Olivadotti - very very glad we were able to retain him on staff.

Buges meant a great deal to this organization over the years. But the last few years his lines were not good and a lack of talent is just part of that equation. His units in recent years appeared to be poorly coached.

It's not certain that Foerster will be better than Buges but it's not certain that he will be worse, either.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Buges meant a great deal to this organization over the years. But the last few years his lines were not good and a lack of talent is just part of that equation. His units in recent years appeared to be poorly coached.

It's not certain that Foerster will be better than Buges but it's not certain that he will be worse, either.

nothing is certain, but bugel is without a doubt one of the top offensive line coaches in the history of the game - pretty much anyone other than him would be a downgrade of some sort. i know next to nothing about foerster, except for what i said - he's got some big shoes to fill, his lines have historically been unimpressive, and he most certainly wasnt our first (or second) choice. thats not to say he won't end up being a great coach for us, but my expectations are low.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

nothing is certain, but bugel is without a doubt one of the top offensive line coaches in the history of the game - pretty much anyone other than him would be a downgrade of some sort. i know next to nothing about foerster, except for what i said - he's got some big shoes to fill, his lines have historically been unimpressive, and he most certainly wasnt our first (or second) choice. thats not to say he won't end up being a great coach for us, but my expectations are low.

Buges was a great coach but personally I got the feeling that he was teaching an antiquated system. Grimm used the same system but evolved it while with Pittsburg. I didn't think Grimm even used the Zone blocking method but I recently read some where that the HC of the Cardinals talking about their OL and it's zone blocking scheme. Then I remembered people talking about Pittsburg's zone blocking being one of the best.

Anyway Buges was a great coach, the system worked great in the 80's and into the 90's. Also Buges taught "Man to Man" blocking. I'm not saying he had no clue but his forte was man to man. No different then some OL coach's are zone blocking specialists but struggle teaching man to man.