Bradford/Clausen now split among Mock Drafts

[r08kessl]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yeah seriously. I mean, Florida and Alabama's defenses this past season could probably outperform the Rams and the Lions. To say Tebow piled up stats against "inferior" competition is just flat out wrong. I'm not saying he'll be a great pro, but that statement couldn't be further from the truth.

I'll never try to argue that the SEC is a bad conference because that's just a lie (even though after the first tier in any given year the competition drops off significantly), florida does play a terrible out of conference schedule, over the last two years (when tebow was a starter) they played:

Charleston Southern, Troy, FIU, Florida State (both years), Cincinnati, Hawaii, Miami Fl, the citadel, oklahoma

oklahoma and cincinnati only happened becasue of bowl games, and I would argue that if it wasn't tradition Florida wouldn't even play FSU.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by r08kessl

I'll never try to argue that the SEC is a bad conference because that's just a lie (even though after the first tier in any given year the competition drops off significantly), florida does play a terrible out of conference schedule, over the last two years (when tebow was a starter) they played:

Charleston Southern, Troy, FIU, Florida State (both years), Cincinnati, Hawaii, Miami Fl, the citadel, oklahoma

oklahoma and cincinnati only happened becasue of bowl games, and I would argue that if it wasn't tradition Florida wouldn't even play FSU.

This is the SEC's M.O. They talk up their conference and use it as an excuse to avoid playing quality out of conference opponents. You look at schools from the Pac 10, Big XII, and Big 10 then you find yourself hard pressed to find teams that schedule a Charleston Southern.

Oregon for example played Boise State, Utah, and Purdue. Purdue played Northern Illinois, Toledo, Oregon, and Notre Dame. Oklahoma played Miami, Tulsa, Idaho State, and BYU. Now all of these teams aren't world beaters but at least they're FBS schools. And usually if they do schdule and FCS school it's usually very rarely more then one where I've frequently seen SEC school schdule as many as two FCS school and no quality opponents to compensate for the two throw away games.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

This is the SEC's M.O. They talk up their conference and use it as an excuse to avoid playing quality out of conference opponents. You look at schools from the Pac 10, Big XII, and Big 10 then you find yourself hard pressed to find teams that schedule a Charleston Southern.

Oregon for example played Boise State, Utah, and Purdue. Purdue played Northern Illinois, Toledo, Oregon, and Notre Dame. Oklahoma played Miami, Tulsa, Idaho State, and BYU. Now all of these teams aren't world beaters but at least they're FBS schools. And usually if they do schdule and FCS school it's usually very rarely more then one where I've frequently seen SEC school schdule as many as two FCS school and no quality opponents to compensate for the two throw away games.

Really? "Hard pressed?" 5 minutes on Wiki actually made it quite easy to prove you wrong:

Ohio State played Toledo and New Mexico State this past season. Michigan played Western Michigan, Eastern Michigan, and Delaware State. USC played San Jose State. Texas played UTEP and Louisiana-Monroe. Oklahoma played Idaho State and Tulsa. Penn State played Akron and Temple. Iowa played Northern Iowa and Arkansas State. Some of the schools you listed actually work against you. Idaho St? Northern Illinois? Toledo? Come on. Just because they are "FBS" schools doesn't make them any less of a cupcake.

The list goes on and on.

Like I said, every big time program schedules cupcakes. There's a reason the SEC has won 4 straight and 5 out of the last 6 national championships. They're the best. If I'm wrong, another conference can go ahead and step up and win one at some point.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by r08kessl

I'll never try to argue that the SEC is a bad conference because that's just a lie (even though after the first tier in any given year the competition drops off significantly), florida does play a terrible out of conference schedule, over the last two years (when tebow was a starter) they played:

Charleston Southern, Troy, FIU, Florida State (both years), Cincinnati, Hawaii, Miami Fl, the citadel, oklahoma

oklahoma and cincinnati only happened becasue of bowl games, and I would argue that if it wasn't tradition Florida wouldn't even play FSU.

Well, first of all, Tebow was a starter the past three years, not two.

Oklahoma, Cincy, Miami, Florida St three times, and Michigan (bowl game 2007) isn't exactly terrible. In those games UF went 6-1. Every big time program plays a few cupcakes along the way. It's just how it is. So a few times a year Tebow got to pile up some stats on bad teams. It's also worth noting that he often didn't play in the second half of some of those games. He also played 24 games in 3 years against SEC defenses and went 20-4 in those games.

And what does the tradition aspect of your FSU argument have to do with anything? That's Bowden-led program from a BCS conference and with Tebow as a starter we went 3-0 against them, outscoring them 127-37. Plus we beat Miami 30-6 in 2008. The reason we play them is irrelevant. The outcome however is not.