Bradford/Clausen now split among Mock Drafts

[CultBrennan59]

Heres my last opinion on Bradford and Clausen which may persuade you all:

I think a great way to evaluate QB's is by seeing how good their receivers are. For example; A lot of people thought Matt Ryan would not be a good pick and isn't that good of a QB. I always thought he looked like a great NFL QB, people didn't really like him because he was slightly slow at times, and he threw lots and lots of picks. Then I saw an analyst say "We look at the receivers he had to throw to...NO ONE!"

Which brings me to my point. Think about it, Tom Brady had only David Terrell to throw to at Michigan, and Terrell was out of the NFL 4 years later and was a 6th round pick.

Peyton Manning had Peerless Price and that was it at tennessee

Drew Brees had No One to throw to at purdue

Rivers, Manning and Roethlisberger had no one to throw to aswell (except cotchery was there a little bit)

Aaron Rodgers had no one at Cal

Jay Cutler ....nope no one at all

Now, one of the exceptions to this rule is our own QB Jason Campbell. He had great running backs, but no WR's

So lets look at our 2 current QB's that are graded as first rounders

Jimmy Clausen has Golden Tate (projected first rounder), Michael Floyd (projected first rounder) and Rudolph the TE (projected 5-6th rounder).
He had great players to throw to.

Sam Bradford had Jauqin Igeliasis (3rd Rounder), Manuel Johnson (7th rounder), Brian Broyles (Jr. Will probably be a first rounder, definite second rounder) and Jerhmain Greisham (projected first rounder)

I think you got to go with Bradford because he was able to do the most with the poorer quality receivers. Watching a lot of Clausen highlights, there were a lot of times that he would under or over throw Tate, and Tate would somehow come up with the ball. Bradford, would put the ball where his receivers would be the only ones to get it. Other than greisham, bradford didn't have that many good receivers, and was able to get the ball to the receivers and not make them have to adjust for it nearly as much as Clausen.

Let's get Sam.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Sam Bradford had Jauqin Igeliasis (3rd Rounder), Manuel Johnson (7th rounder), Brian Broyles (Jr. Will probably be a first rounder, definite second rounder) and Jerhmain Greisham (projected first rounder)

I think you got to go with Bradford because he was able to do the most with the poorer quality receivers. Watching a lot of Clausen highlights, there were a lot of times that he would under or over throw Tate, and Tate would somehow come up with the ball. Bradford, would put the ball where his receivers would be the only ones to get it. Other than greisham, bradford didn't have that many good receivers, and was able to get the ball to the receivers and not make them have to adjust for it nearly as much as Clausen.

Let's get Sam.

The legend of Sam Bradford grows.
BTW-You forgot Malcolm Kelly and an near NFL caliber OL.
You also forgot that the QB friendly system OU runs allowed Landry Jones to step in and put up some good numbers too.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by 30gut

The legend of Sam Bradford grows.
BTW-You forgot Malcolm Kelly and an near NFL caliber OL.
You also forgot that the QB friendly system OU runs allowed Landry Jones to step in and put up some good numbers too.

First off, Kelly and Bradford played for 1 year together, I'm referring to SB redshirt sophomore year only. He had two, maybe three if you count duke robinson starters on his OL, so your statement also holds true, but at the same time, the Big 12 always has good pass rushers and defenses so it's not like the Oline wasn't battle tested or invincible. I wouldn't say that it was a QB friendly system at OU, because its not like a Florida or texas tech or hawaii QB friendly offense, He plays every down with a RB and TE in every formation and occasionally a FB, which to me means its a pro style offense such as what New England and Indy run. If I had to put Clausen and Bradford head to head in the whose offense is more QB friendly, then yeah, I'd go Bradford, but in general I think people really overstate OU's offense as a 'typical college' offense. Plus if you watch bradford, QB friendly or not, he puts the ball where only his receivers can get it, and threads the needle between defenders. His very accurate which is something every coach loves about a QB.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

First off, Kelly and Bradford played for 1 year together, I'm referring to SB redshirt sophomore year only. He had two, maybe three if you count duke robinson starters on his OL, so your statement also holds true, but at the same time, the Big 12 always has good pass rushers and defenses so it's not like the Oline wasn't battle tested or invincible. I wouldn't say that it was a QB friendly system at OU, because its not like a Florida or texas tech or hawaii QB friendly offense, He plays every down with a RB and TE in every formation and occasionally a FB, which to me means its a pro style offense such as what New England and Indy run. If I had to put Clausen and Bradford head to head in the whose offense is more QB friendly, then yeah, I'd go Bradford, but in general I think people really overstate OU's offense as a 'typical college' offense. Plus if you watch bradford, QB friendly or not, he puts the ball where only his receivers can get it, and threads the needle between defenders. His very accurate which is something every coach loves about a QB.

Look dude, i got nothing against Bradford.
But people are starting to talk this dude up as some sort of can't miss prospect by downing the other QBs and the level of competition and system etc..
Bradford has many of the same flaws as the other QBs you mention.
I'm not saying that OU running a QB friendly offense is a knock just that its in the same category as Texas, Florida, WVU etc. Also, how can you deny that OU runs a QB friendly offense when freshmen Landry Jones steps in after Bradfords injury and puts up some good numbers himself 3,198 yds 26 TDs.

[CultBrennan59]

[QUOTE=30gut;661040]Look dude, i got nothing against Bradford.
But people are starting to talk this dude up as some sort of can't miss prospect by downing the other QBs and the level of competition and system etc..
Bradford has many of the same flaws as the other QBs you mention.
I'm not saying that OU running a QB friendly offense is a knock just that its in the same category as Texas, Florida, WVU etc. Also, how can you deny that OU runs a QB friendly offense when freshmen Landry Jones steps in after Bradfords injury and puts up some good numbers himself 3,198 yds 26 TDs.[/QUOTE]

It's called getting good recruits, which Bob Stoops does year in and year out. No one had Paul Thompson as a great NFL QB when he was at OU a few years ago.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by 30gut

The legend of Sam Bradford grows.
BTW-You forgot Malcolm Kelly and an near NFL caliber OL.
You also forgot that the QB friendly system OU runs allowed Landry Jones to step in and put up some good numbers too.

And you're forgetting the pro style system Bradford ran his freshman year where he put up 3,100 yard 36 TD's and 8 Int's. And Malcolm Kelly hasn't done much lately to prove that he wasn't a product of good QB play.